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"Thou Shalt Not Open the Outer Gates"

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Ulfgeir:
A few musings...  Do we know if Justine has any magical capability of her own, or is that even needed as long as you perform the proper ritual for summoning outsiders (like following a recipe), given that these are things that WANT to enter our world, whereas other beings might object to being summoned? Or could it be that she is a willing host for the walker, and the walker then temporarily granted her the magical spark, in the same scence that the fallen angels in one of the denarian coins can lend you powers temporarily, and they act through you?

Mira:

--- Quote from: Ulfgeir on July 14, 2022, 10:17:19 PM ---A few musings...  Do we know if Justine has any magical capability of her own, or is that even needed as long as you perform the proper ritual for summoning outsiders (like following a recipe), given that these are things that WANT to enter our world, whereas other beings might object to being summoned? Or could it be that she is a willing host for the walker, and the walker then temporarily granted her the magical spark, in the same scence that the fallen angels in one of the denarian coins can lend you powers temporarily, and they act through you?

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I think someone, I think Thomas said everyone has "some" magical ability, and in a lot of ways it is like following a recipe.  Consider Butters in Dead Beat, he has little magical ability, but after he was shown how to do it by Harry was able to draw a circle to sit in to protect himself from zombies etc while he drummed to keep Sue going.  It has been a while since I read it, but if I remember correctly though Madge had some power all that was required to call up an Outsider was knowing the correct spell etc which Lord Raith supplied her.  Could be wrong admittedly, but that is how I remember it.  But back to Justine, she doesn't need to have power, all she needed were the words etc which Nemesis could easily tell her.

Ed0517:

--- Quote from: Ulfgeir on July 14, 2022, 10:17:19 PM ---A few musings...  Do we know if Justine has any magical capability of her own, or is that even needed as long as you perform the proper ritual for summoning outsiders (like following a recipe), given that these are things that WANT to enter our world, whereas other beings might object to being summoned? Or could it be that she is a willing host for the walker, and the walker then temporarily granted her the magical spark, in the same scence that the fallen angels in one of the denarian coins can lend you powers temporarily, and they act through you?

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for some reason i think at the time they met, the party, I think she offered her hand to Harry. If she were a practitioner of any power, he could have told them

Fcrate:
Even if she didn't offer her hand then, she was naked when she scratched him all over in the laundry room when they got kidnapped. No tingle.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Fcrate on July 15, 2022, 08:00:25 AM ---Even if she didn't offer her hand then, she was naked when she scratched him all over in the laundry room when they got kidnapped. No tingle.

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But I think the tingle only comes if there is significant power present.. I bet if Harry shook hands with Butters in Dead Beat there would be no tingle either, yet under Harry's instructions he could draw a chalk circle, and it had the power to protect him from zombies as he sat in it.  It goes along with the warnings about screwing around with the occult, vanilla humans following a recipe can call up some dangerous beings, like demons and Outsiders, no magical talent needed.

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