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"Thou Shalt Not Open the Outer Gates"

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g33k:
This is the final Law of Magic, as written by the White Council.

As I wrote elsethread, "... WoJ has it that each of the White Council's 'Laws of Magic' is going to have a book in which Harry seriously breaks that law..."

And I'm having a REALLY hard time trying to imagine Dresden -- Starborn, Outsider-hating Dresden -- opening the Outer Gates.  I guess this happens in the final act of the final book of the final trilogy -- the BAT, Big Apocalyptic Trilogy.

The only way I can envision Harry doing this is if he has a metric crapton of Outsider-Killing magic, opening the Gates and killing EVERYTHING that comes through.  But that, in turn, is power to dwarf all mortal power, exceeding even what Darkhallow!Harry would have held; more like the power an archangel wields!  Mab herself is merely fighting a holding-action (and an imperfect one at that, since we see the Outsiders keep breaking through)
 

Conspiracy Theorist:
My view is that this is the Last Cycle whatever, Harry does is pivotal in stopping it, which is what the stakes are so high that an Archangel will bet their grace. The cycle will continue but the Gates defence will be far too strong for the Outsiders to ever succeed, because we will have had the Singularity creating the White God by the next Cycle. The Singularity at its core needs I think an Archangel or equivalent as it’s nexus.

I think Harry does this by setting up Hell against the Outsiders. It’s no coincidence Outsiders are more vulnerable to fire than anything else. Harry probably open the gates only for a pit into Hell to form.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 13, 2022, 10:26:09 PM ---My view is that this is the Last Cycle whatever, Harry does is pivotal in stopping it, which is what the stakes are so high that an Archangel will bet their grace. The cycle will continue but the Gates defence will be far too strong for the Outsiders to ever succeed, because we will have had the Singularity creating the White God by the next Cycle. The Singularity at its core needs I think an Archangel or equivalent as it’s nexus.

I think Harry does this by setting up Hell against the Outsiders. It’s no coincidence Outsiders are more vulnerable to fire than anything else. Harry probably open the gates only for a pit into Hell to form.
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Interesting notion.

By this analysis, "Lucifer" himself was being forged -- by the Fall, by the nature of Hell/Hellfire -- into the ultimate anti-Outsider weapon.

Possibly, Lucifer was even a willing agent & participant in the whole scheme, ultimately on "Team Good Guy."
 

Con:
Well we're assuming Harry;s only role is to *destroy* Outsiders, but it's gotta be more than that otherwise everyone wouldn't be so cagey and secretive about it. River Shoulders thinks it's not his place. Listens to Winds needs to call in favors for a year before he'll even consider it, Ebenezar feels guilty about something of it, Mab is Impatient and Drakul is teasing manipulative about it.

My bet is Harry will have to control the Outsiders at some point and it's gonna cost him something. Something big.

Fcrate:

--- Quote from: Con on June 14, 2022, 12:16:58 AM ---Well we're assuming Harry;s only role is to *destroy* Outsiders, but it's gotta be more than that otherwise everyone wouldn't be so cagey and secretive about it. River Shoulders thinks it's not his place. Listens to Winds needs to call in favors for a year before he'll even consider it, Ebenezar feels guilty about something of it, Mab is Impatient and Drakul is teasing manipulative about it.

My bet is Harry will have to control the Outsiders at some point and it's gonna cost him something. Something big.

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That ^
Also, so far, Harry's magic had more effect on outsiders than other people, but not by much. He struggled against Sharkface and after 3 encounters finally managed to kill his construct. The outsider survived.

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