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Other Whamp houses?
Conspiracy Theorist:
Unfortunately Jim has said he is not going to feature the Jade Court. Which is annoying. It means no new data on them, ever.
My theory is that all of them are a degenerate form of something else, the Black Court a failed attempt to create something like Einenjharen, the White Court a degenerate form of the Etruscan Gods Erus descendants, the Red Court not sure, they masquerade as gods but aren’t, perhaps servitors created to serve the Mayan Gods, like the IX? The Gods went extinct or are in Demonreach and like the gods they aped so are they.
In fact Demonreach is the most likely option. They would have been immortal and difficult to kill, if they retreated to the NeverNever, they would likely have been unhappy about the Reds hijacking their belief system, and made a fuss.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 20, 2022, 10:56:39 PM --- Unfortunately Jim has said he is not going to feature the Jade Court. Which is annoying. It means no new data on them, ever.
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Actually, it means Jim is free to spill all the Jade Court beans, and won't feel like lying to keep narrative secrets.
My own bet is that they are more or less a "throwaway" element, an insignificant sliver of backstory/color that he never developed & never plans to. All it would take is the right question at a Q&A event or online AMA.
(OTOH, Butters was supposed to be a minor bit of comic relief, so never say never. If Jim has a lightning-strike of "OMG! the Jade Court could be this, and it'd be soooo cool!" then we may yet see them...)
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on July 20, 2022, 10:56:39 PM ---... the Red Court not sure, they masquerade as gods but aren’t, perhaps servitors created to serve the Mayan Gods, like the IX?...
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The Mayan gods were fed-upon by the "Lords of Outer Night" & had their powers stripped away to power-up the Rampire LOONs. I *think* they may have been kept as food-sources by the LOONs; if so, they may have been slowly recovering since the battle at Chichen Itza. I expect they'll be coming back angry; but I'm hoping they'll come back as a surprise-ally for Dresden, since he "rescued" them.
g33k:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on July 20, 2022, 06:57:42 PM --- ... Each group of Vampires we are aware of seem to be ever more degenerate forms of the Whites. So you have Whites, Reds and Blacks. Whites are the perfect form. Reds are a more degenerate form and Blacks are the most degenerate form, the true undead. The Asian branch may be at the top of the Pyramid or below the Whites, since we haven't seen them.
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I'm pretty sure we have WoJ that the "design" of the Vamps comes from a different perspective.
Jim was trying to decide how to make his Vampires different from all the same-y vamps in all the same-y urban fantasy stories (but no sparkles).
He come up with the idea of splitting their "powers" into the different Courts, different "types" of vamp.
- Black were the horrific undead monsters very Stoker.
- Red were monstrous "flesh mask" monsters, a la "From Dusk Till Dawn."
- Whites were the erotic/seductive vampires so common in modern pop culture.
Honestly, I think the Jade Court was an afterthought, a throwaway line Jim for a bit of setting-fluff that Jim never really thought about, nor planned to ever develop.
forumghost:
--- Quote from: g33k on July 20, 2022, 11:49:53 PM ---Honestly, I think the Jade Court was an afterthought, a throwaway line Jim for a bit of setting-fluff that Jim never really thought about, nor planned to ever develop.
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And then they got brought up in literally every Q&A or interview he ever did for all of time...
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: forumghost on July 21, 2022, 01:17:26 PM ---And then they got brought up in literally every Q&A or interview he ever did for all of time...
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Yes Jim may have regretted it. Just a bit. It’s asked in almost every interview or Q&A to the extent the fans are almost trolling him about it, but it wastes an entire question when Jim could be trolling us.
I think he included them like he ran the gamut on werewolves in Fool Moon. He wanted to cover every type of vampire and the Jade Court is the hopping chi stealing variant.
There is an actual Chinese Restaurant in Chicago called the Jade Court. Jim should have Harry and Lara go there on date night in NEXT BOOK and not realise it’s actually the listening post for the Jade Court in Chicago until they receive some sinister and very specific fortune cookies at the end of the meal leaving them and the reader wondering. Jim is going to have to write such a scene, as a pay-off for the negotiations line in The Law, so why not use it as a pay-off for the Jade Court? They are watching but not getting involved.
It would stop this question being asked.
Probably.
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