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King Arthur's Scabbard
Conspiracy Theorist:
Shape is the physical structure of an object, form is what it is.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 06, 2022, 01:08:22 AM --- We have no idea how long she was Lady, she may have ascended at the time of the Conqueror.
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FWIW, we don't even know that she was ever the Lady! If both the prior Lady and the prior Queen died in the same battle, Mother Winter might have grabbed 2 unexpected choices -- even mortals! -- straight into those roles.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 06, 2022, 01:08:22 AM --- ... the actual quote in Battle Ground Chapter 13 “This was never about raising an army, fool' Mavra hissed. 'It was about acquiring new blood for the stars and stones.” Add a comma after blood and the sentence changes completely, she is cursing ...
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I don't think so. Add that comma, and the phrase "for the stars and stones" becomes more ambiguous, not clearly a curse (which would be "by the stars and stones" (akin to the curse "by God")).
But if this is a crucial hint/foreshadowing, I think Jim would have taken special care to get it right; no typos are likely.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 06, 2022, 01:08:22 AM --- ... I still have no idea WTF Starborn means. Unfortunately I suspect neither does Jim.
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I'm quite sure you're wrong on that last part. Our inability to be sure of the meaning (based almost-entirely upon the "unreliable narrator" elements -- and, largely, the complete ignorance -- of Harry himself) is intentional on Jim's part.
But Jim has been using "Starborn" and "Stars and Stones" for YEARS now; hse even had Eb point out that Harry himself had no idea (and therefore neither do we!) what "stars and stones" even means.
We know "Starborn" is a potential, shared by those (presumably those with wizard/magical power) born under a certain configuration of portents (mostly astrological; but perhaps not entirely?).
We know the Starborn have particular power over Outsiders, and resistance to Outsider powers; we surmise this is a reaction to the Outsiders by Creation itself (or by the Almighty (or by one of his agents (looking at you, Uriel!))).
seanham:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 06, 2022, 01:35:33 PM ---I agree to an extent with the star born thing, especially since we are now finding them under every other rock in the story. So if they are really relatively common, what is so special about them and why the secrecy?
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I am not sure why you are saying that Star Borns are common. I can only think of a few that we know of for sure, Harry, Listen, the Gatekeeper, and Drakul. There may be a few more I'm missing but this is only a very small handful of characters out of the entire "cast" of characters and even smaller when compared to the world population.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: g33k on June 06, 2022, 11:43:16 PM ---FWIW, we don't even know that she was ever the Summer Lady! If both the prior Lady and the prior Queen died in the same battle, Mother Winter might have grabbed 2 unexpected choices -- even mortals! -- straight into those roles.
I don't think so. Add that comma, and the phrase "for the stars and stones" becomes more ambiguous, not clearly a curse (which would be "by the stars and stones" (akin to the curse "by God")).
But if this is a crucial hint/foreshadowing, I think Jim would have taken special care to get it right; no typos are likely.
I'm quite sure you're wrong on that last part. Our inability to be sure of the meaning (based almost-entirely upon the "unreliable narrator" elements -- and, largely, the complete ignorance -- of Harry himself) is intentional on Jim's part.
But Jim has been using "Starborn" and "Stars and Stones" for YEARS now; hse even had Eb point out that Harry himself had no idea (and therefore neither do we!) what "stars and stones" even means.
We know "Starborn" is a potential, shared by those (presumably those with wizard/magical power) born under a certain configuration of portents (mostly astrological; but perhaps not entirely?).
We know the Starborn have particular power over Outsiders, and resistance to Outsider powers; we surmise this is a reaction to the Outsiders by Creation itself (or by the Almighty (or by one of his agents (looking at you, Uriel!))).
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I am saying Jim deliberately left the comma out to troll the fans. He can blame Harry as an unreliable narrator. Clearly Mavra is exasperated that one of their number really hasn’t been listening and when she talks about fresh blood, she is thinking about replacing them with someone with a longer attention span.
It is a curse which Harry picked up from Eb. Eb is in the direct line of descent Master to Apprentice from the Merlin who was an eye witness, something like 9 generations.
Fcrate:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on June 05, 2022, 07:32:31 PM ---Mab if Arthurian would be about 1700 years old and existing solely within the causal flow of time. Ethnui like the gods, dragons and angels existed before then so has also existed the entire flow of time. Ethnui is describing Mab’s relative youth compared to the beings she counts almost or previously as peers like Odinnor Ferro. Ethnui is a gist against the young
It must therefore have especially galling to lose to the mewling babe, the newborn Starborn Harry Dresden.
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So you're saying that a titan, who has never been human, and thinks of humans as cockroaches, understands that adolescent humans have pimples, and uses it as an insult to relate to relative youth? I highly doubt that. More likely it was literal.
I'm not sure that Mab was ever a Lady, anyway.
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