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Did I miss something...?
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on April 25, 2022, 01:23:48 PM ---Then Jim isn't reading what he writes. Can that be read another way?
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I mean, that wouldn't be out of the ordinary for Jim. That aside, that line doesn't have to be taken literally. It can be read as "on the orders of", so whether Jim meant it literally or not, it can be interpreted in such a way.
Strength comes in many forms after all - physical, magical, political, authoritarian, militaristic etc. I mean, we don't assume Jim meant Lucifer was investing his physical muscles after all.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 26, 2022, 12:33:39 AM ---Unintended consequences for Lucifer, he appears to have a blindspot for such, otherwise he wouldn’t be where he is.
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Assuming of course that Lucifer doesn't want to be in Hell...I believe in Milton's Paradise Lost Lucifer famously says "It is better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven". Or that Lucifer being in Hell isn't part of TWG's plan etc. Although I don't think the latter lines up with what we've seen in the series or what Jim has said. But I do suspect Hell is where Lucifer wanted to be.
Arjan:
Or hell is where humans placed him. They created the stories after all.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 26, 2022, 05:45:21 AM ---
Assuming of course that Lucifer doesn't want to be in Hell...I believe in Milton's Paradise Lost Lucifer famously says "It is better to reign in Hell than serve in Heaven". Or that Lucifer being in Hell isn't part of TWG's plan etc. Although I don't think the latter lines up with what we've seen in the series or what Jim has said. But I do suspect Hell is where Lucifer wanted to be.
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That’s what Lucifer would say.
The White God created the Never Never, humanity shaped it into its various zones and Kingdoms via belief, it is distinct from the likes of Tartarus in Hades realm and I presume that it is currently modelled after Dante Allegheiri’s 9 circles which using the poet Virgil created a clear adoption of a division from the Greco Romano Tartarus.
Basically Dante redecorated when Lucifer wasn’t looking and he is stuck with it. I wonder if Uriel put Dante up to it?
Hell is other peoples decorating choices you have to live with.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on April 26, 2022, 05:45:21 AM ---I mean, that wouldn't be out of the ordinary for Jim. That aside, that line doesn't have to be taken literally. It can be read as "on the orders of", so whether Jim meant it literally or not, it can be interpreted in such a way.
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First my standard disclaimer, it's your book when you read it.
I love Butcher's prose, but language is language. If a simple statement as in one archangel did one thing then another archangel did another, then it is pettifogging if he then tells me that it was only true in a way. I don't care who connected the hose to the fireplug, I am concerned with who supplied the water.
In terms of Hell, wherever it is, it isn't Heaven. They are called Fallen because they were cast out. And that the devil might rather reign in Hell than serve in Heaven doesn't obviate the fact that he wants to be is on the Golden Throne in Heaven.
Conspiracy Theorist:
That’s what he was after reigning in Heaven in the first place, and an ambition he hasn’t given up on. Remember that after everything Lucifer is behind the scenes with his own plans, using and misusing the schemes of others to achieve his ends, and that includes the Denarians, the Circle, Drakul and the Black Court, the Fomor, the Outsiders and Nemesis. Perhaps even Larry Fowler. Either directly or indirectly every group of villains is doing his bidding.
In the same way but clearer we have seen Vadderung/Odin, Mab and Winter, Hades, even Marcone doing the bidding of the White God.either directly or indirectly. Now the Accorded nations are welded together more strongly (except the White Council whom both groups rightly seem to despise) than ever before Swartalves, The Archive, Summer, the Megapodes the White Court and even the Ghouls have set down their side.
I think the Paranet will apply for accorded status badly undercutting the White Council, a computer literate group of mortal practitioners potentially by population the largest Accorded Nation. This is why I think the White God is born from the Singularity and the Endgame is the last cycle before that event where everything is still up for grabs, Harry’s cycle including who gets to sit on the Golden Throne, and if not, whether it is crushed beneath the feet of Outsiders.
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