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Are Soul gazes inherently subjective?

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Fcrate:
Another thing to consider is time. It seems to me that if you soul gaze someone who's 20 years old, and see that they're idealistic, optimistic and has lots of potential, decide to trust them, you can't fall back on that assessment 10 years later. People change all the time, and you can't gaze them again. You still have a very clear memory of the first gaze, even if they are a completely different person at 30. (which is very likely), so if someone else gazed them and found a dark and cynical soul, you'd unlikely to belive them.
I think it needs a rework in a future book.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Fcrate on April 13, 2022, 09:52:01 PM ---Another thing to consider is time. It seems to me that if you soul gaze someone who's 20 years old, and see that they're idealistic, optimistic and has lots of potential, decide to trust them, you can't fall back on that assessment 10 years later. People change all the time, and you can't gaze them again. You still have a very clear memory of the first gaze, even if they are a completely different person at 30. (which is very likely), so if someone else gazed them and found a dark and cynical soul, you'd unlikely to belive them.
I think it needs a rework in a future book.

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People do change especially the young, but that is why when Harry describes his soul gaze with sixteen year old Molly, he describes her possible futures, the trick is judging which future will be the most likely.  Then one has to decide if intervention will help or not.  Harry judged that Molly wasn't too far gone, though in reality given her slip ups that that was a very close call.. The Merlin on the other hand judged that the Korean Kid had gone too far down the tubes and his future was bad no matter what was attempted to redeem him.

g33k:

--- Quote from: Mira on April 11, 2022, 11:08:26 AM --- ... Yes, they have, remember "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"?  That story is older and more widespread than the segment of "Fantasia" that features Micky Mouse.  Wizards have always taken on an apprentice, that is part of the gig of being a wizard...
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I think a wizard often takes an apprentice, the same way people "often" are married:  yes, it's more common than not; but non-Apprentice'd potential Masters are hardly more eye-raising than eligible singles.

But I am thinking the White Council needs a major educational-reform push; to step away from the master/apprentice model and towards the instructor/class model.

It can be group teaching with multiple instructors, but they need to teach more students than teachers, better than 1:1; I think 4 students per instructor is a good target, with a half-dozen or so instructors, and rotation so every student gets substantial time with every instructor, & vice versa.

But first, they need some way to find the damn proto-wizards (before they literally become "damned").

But before even that... the White Council needs to pull its head out of its ass and wake up to the need for these new ways.  So... it's not gonna happen.

Mira:

--- Quote ---I think a wizard often takes an apprentice, the same way people "often" are married:  yes, it's more common than not; but non-Apprentice'd potential Masters are hardly more eye-raising than eligible singles.
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"Happiness in marriage, my dear Eliza is merely a matter of chance.."  Charlotte Lucas to Elizabeth Bennett, Jane Austin.. Oh and Elizabeth's retort was that her notion was not sound..

However I doubt that one can say the same about a master/apprentice relationship.  It would be a foolish master that didn't soul gaze his or her charge before taking him or her on.

--- Quote ---But I am thinking the White Council needs a major educational-reform push; to step away from the master/apprentice model and towards the instructor/class model.
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Which is the direction I believe Jim is headed if the speculation/spoilers for the little Maggie spin offs are correct.  As soon or shortly after her talent is discovered she is shipped off to a school like Hog Warts by her father.

--- Quote ---But first, they need some way to find the damn proto-wizards (before they literally become "damned").
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I think it could be done if most wizards weren't so self absorbed and secretive..

vincentric:
The thing is, the world has what the White Council needs to find new wizards already, it's just that the WC is too snobbish/hidebound/stupid(take your pick, they all apply) to use it.

The Paranet is a nationwide(and growing) group of practitioners who were forced to organize precisely because of the WC's inability to police the magical world on the small scale.

All it needs is a few open minded wizards to make checks every 2-3 weeks, treat the lesser talents with some encouragement rather than intimidation and provide some financial backing for a centralized information center and you're good to go. The Paranet has become as big as it is, while being run by renegades such as Elaine and small talents the WC doesn't see as significant unless they go to the dark side. Imagine what it could be under the aegis of the WC.

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