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Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on February 21, 2022, 11:25:23 PM ---I did a back of envelope sonewhere else on here.

It's a window of time. When Harry was born- circa 1970- that number represents something like a half hour or hour (I misremember) of births.

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Which is so strange, I think, as celestial movements can play out over much longer periods of time. But I do think you're right in that it's only a special hour or so that happens, and that's where the 40-50 thousand number comes in. That being said...it's surely not just births, as Jim hinted that you only need to be in the right (wrong?) place at the right time (which Jim thinks makes you really unlucky). Being born is by no means the only way to become a star born it would appear.


--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on February 22, 2022, 04:41:35 AM ---It’s the difference between not agelessness and immortality.

Denarians, Vamps, sidhe are ageless, time doesn’t diminish them, but they can be killed with varying degrees of effort.

Immortals on the hand can’t (they don’t like to talk about Halloween) the Queen’s Mantles are constructs and had a back door built into it the Stone Table.

Aside from the Queens, the other Immortals we have seen are The Kringle Mantle, Erl King, the Naagloshii, Uriel, the Angel of Death, Ethnui, Hades, the Fallen. If the Darkhallow requires an immortal there aren’t that many roaming around these days, and some are just too powerful (the Mothers, Hades, Uriel, the Angel of Death, Ethnui, the Fallen) to even try to summon. The Erl King was probably the weakest and most accessible. The Ladies are ‘weak’ but are an artificial construct so would they work? Kemmler could have undertaken a Darkhallow using Maeve only to find to his horror he was the new Winter Lady subject to Winters rules, and being physically reshaped to the task.

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This is essentially correct as far as I can tell. Although I believe Bob explained that it was the entire battlefield of Chicago-over-Chicago that was charged/prepared for the killing of Immortals, not just the Stone Table. The Stone Table seems to have other purposes, namely around the transfer of energy.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Let’s Say Harry was born during the witching hour, in Cook County Hospital on the 31st October 1970 something so much of it was made of it by Jim in Peace Talks, so that must be a clue. Also someone born at night could be described as starborn, little s. Someone born during the witching hour on a particular Halloween is Starborn.

I think over Chicago was designed for the Mantles, a specific back door to allow a Queen to be dethroned, which they have in the past. Remember Summer are the watchdogs of Winter. Halloween is for everyone it would allow for the trading of power between consenting Immortals, the end of an immortal and I think the involuntary transfer of power between an immortal and a Starborn via a Darkhallow.

Mira:

--- Quote ---Which is so strange, I think, as celestial movements can play out over much longer periods of time. But I do think you're right in that it's only a special hour or so that happens, and that's where the 40-50 thousand number comes in. That being said...it's surely not just births, as Jim hinted that you only need to be in the right (wrong?) place at the right time (which Jim thinks makes you really unlucky). Being born is by no means the only way to become a star born it would appear.
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Or considering the population of the earth, it could be millions born in the special hour.  So it stands to reason that it is a lot more complicated than it appears to conceive and give birth to a star born.  Lash hinted that it was to Harry, she made it clear that it took a lot of planning on Margaret's part for it to happen.  It is also clear that in her choice of Malcolm to be her star child's father Margaret was trying to break the mold for the norm of what a star child is.

Conspiracy Theorist:
It strikes me that Listens,  another Starborn knows Chicago well enough to be a forward planner for the Fomor. Another Chicago native? Was he responsible for the books and belts in SF and FM? Did  he plan the way for Cowl in GP? Was he a Red Court agent until there was no Red Court and the go to the Fomor? And was he a Black Council agent all along?

You are thinking the entire Earth, but what if it’s like a solar eclipse?, there is a path? where it plays over only part of the earth for an hour the witching hour), and Chicago was the only big city in the path this time (Romania last time for Drakul’s current body). If that can be plotted then it can be predicted, you merely need to time the birth for that specific hour in that pathway. Easy using time dilation of the Ways.

Remember everything boils down to Chicago, Changes is the only book where something significant in the Supernatural world happens outside of Chicago.

morriswalters:
Not enough data.  There is nothing in the text that indicates where Harry was born.  The closest we get to that moment is placing Margaret and Malcolm at the Lincoln Monument just before Harry is born.  Given the 666 year cycle it could be some type of comet or asteroid.  There is no way to know. Butcher could be basing it on something like Highlander, there can be only one! I know one thing.  He has a fascination with vampires.

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