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Star Born (direct quotes compilation)
TrueMonk:
As far as we know immortals can be killed by the eye and on Halloween. And some? Maybe only the fairy queens, can be killed on the stone table.
This is in contrast to e.g. Denarians who can be killed all the time and by normal means.
Bob is clear in the distinction in Cold Days in the conversation where he tells Harry he cannot kill Maeve because she is immortal.
vincentric:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on February 21, 2022, 11:27:30 PM ---As far as we know immortals can be killed by the eye and on Halloween. And some? Maybe only the fairy queens, can be killed on the stone table.
This is in contrast to e.g. Denarians who can be killed all the time and by normal means.
Bob is clear in the distinction in Cold Days in the conversation where he tells Harry he cannot kill Maeve because she is immortal.
--- End quote ---
There are different grades of immortality in the Dresden Files and it is called out many times in the books.
There's the little "i" type possessed by Denarians, Fae, Vampires and the like. They don't age or sicken and and very difficult to kill. But they can be killed if subjected to enough damage. of course the amount of force required to kill Thomas or Lara is a bit different than what it takes to stop Eldest Gruff or the Leansidhe.
Then there are the capital "I" types like the Queens, Hades, Odin and the Erlking among others, who can only be killed at special times or by special means. Those are the ones that will come back from a threshing machine or a dip in an active volcano. It may take some time but they'll be back with another line on their to do list.
Conspiracy Theorist:
It’s the difference between not agelessness and immortality.
Denarians, Vamps, sidhe are ageless, time doesn’t diminish them, but they can be killed with varying degrees of effort.
Immortals on the hand can’t (they don’t like to talk about Halloween) the Queen’s Mantles are constructs and had a back door built into it the Stone Table.
Aside from the Queens, the other Immortals we have seen are The Kringle Mantle, Erl King, the Naagloshii, Uriel, the Angel of Death, Ethnui, Hades, the Fallen. If the Darkhallow requires an immortal there aren’t that many roaming around these days, and some are just too powerful (the Mothers, Hades, Uriel, the Angel of Death, Ethnui, the Fallen) to even try to summon. The Erl King was probably the weakest and most accessible. The Ladies are ‘weak’ but are an artificial construct so would they work? Kemmler could have undertaken a Darkhallow using Maeve only to find to his horror he was the new Winter Lady subject to Winters rules, and being physically reshaped to the task.
TrueMonk:
I guess you could argue that the coins are very convenient to transport to the site of the darkhallow, but of course eating a fallen is probably too much for most even with a lot of preparation.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: TrueMonk on February 22, 2022, 10:23:47 AM ---I guess you could argue that the coins are very convenient to transport to the site of the darkhallow, but of course eating a fallen is probably too much for most even with a lot of preparation.
--- End quote ---
You really don’t want to swallow a coin, especially when it doesn’t have chocolate inside. The only thing nastier than a Fallen is White Chocolate.
Not sure even a Darkhallow could separate a Fallen from their coin but that may be what Drakul had in mind when Mavra got Ammorachius in Grave Peril, tainted by Harry’s misuse, he had been looking for the Word probably for years, knew the Swords contained Angels and was going to consume one in a Darkhallow, along with everyone else in Chicago, becoming the dark and powerful god of evening wear. That would be why Cowl was in attendance, he may not have known the Swords contained an Angel, if he had (and had been searching for the Word himself) he wouldn’t have had to wait for Harry to summon the Erl King.
If so Harry would be his number one target as (1) a Starborn and (2) the Destroyer of Tuxedo’s.
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