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Bob's Parents
KurtinStGeorge:
So, first I have to ask what mortals have been around long enough to be one of Bob's parents. The list is pretty short.
Mab, when she was a mortal.
Titania, when she was a mortal.
The Gaterkeeper
Ancient Mai
Kemmler
Nicodemus
Tessa
Quintus Cassius (Snakeboy)
The British prisoner
We can eliminate Nic, Tessa and Cassius because they were all incapable of loving anyone for a very long time, if ever. (Unless you count Nic's relationship with; never mind, that's way too yucky to think about.) Plus, it's highly likely their only involvement with spiritual entities is with the Fallen in the coin they've each carried.
It can't be Kemmler because; for one thing we haven't really seen him in the series, we've just heard about him. Plus, I think it might have been impossible for Bob to have cut off his knowledge of Kemmler if Kemmler was his father. It would have been like cutting himself in half.
The Gatekeeper. He's done enough time travel to make him a reasonable candidate.
Ancient Mai. She hasn't appeared very often, but I can't rule her out either. It might make for an interesting twist if it was her.
Titania isn't in the story often enough to make her a good candidate. Plus, we know so very little about her background.
Mab; on the other hand, has been in the story quite often. Her backstory as a mortal is something we may one day learn more about. She's a very good candidate.
The British prisoner. Well, I'm making an assumption that he is human. If so, he's another sound candidate.
The spiritual entity is a real tough one to guess. I don't count any of the Fae as spiritual entities. Lea told Harry in Ghost Story that she was of both worlds. That means all of the fae are. So, they are like mules which are part horse and part donkey and should be incapable of breeding, at least in the way Harry and Lash did. However, they can breed just fine with mortals the old fashion way; just like the Greek and other various ancient gods are supposed to have done. Plus, how many of the fae are capable of having feelings of love? Probably some, but I doubt any of them are from Winter.
I seriously doubt anyone has ever had a relationship with a copy of one of the Fallen the way Harry did. It seems like a pretty unique relationship to me. That leaves the Loa, demons, angels, ghosts, ancient gods and maybe Outsiders. Oh yea, I'm forgetting Mac; before he became a bartender and short order cook. Too much points to Mac as having once been something more than just human.
I'm pretty sure we can eliminate Demons and Outsiders. The only ghost we've met and know a fair amount about was Sir Stewart and he seemed most interested in looking after his descendant Mort. The older gods seem to prefer the physical means of reproduction with mortals, so that probably eliminates Odin. Ulsharavas is the only Loa we've met and only once. Angels are just too remote, to committed to what they are. Plus, they lack free will.
I'm going to guess Bob's parents are Mab when she was a mortal and Mac when he wasn't. It might explain why she healed him in, was it Cold Days or a short story, I don't remember which. Perhaps such a union also explains why Mac is now mortal. That would make them star-crossed lovers. Mac became a mortal when Mab became immortal.
Mira:
Bob is a spirit being, I doubt that he had any parents at all.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on January 07, 2022, 02:16:50 AM ---
I seriously doubt anyone has ever had a relationship with a copy of one of the Fallen the way Harry did.
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Namshiel and Marcone, it may explain why a vanilla mortal is suddenly able to do magic, it isn’t really Marcone, doing it, it’s the spirit of intellect growing in his head doing the magic like Bob and Butters.
Boy is Harry going to enjoy finding that out if it’s correct! At least until little Namcone start dating Bonny.
WOJ has it yes, Bob has parents and we have met both parents.
The_Sibelis:
It's been heavily implied the writer of the Shepard's daughter book was the mortal host. "I've been chasing Shepard's daughters since before you were born!" I can't remember who it was, some super fans can tell you.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: KurtinStGeorge on January 07, 2022, 02:16:50 AM ---We can eliminate Nic, Tessa and Cassius because they were all incapable of loving anyone for a very long time, if ever. (Unless you count Nic's relationship with; never mind, that's way too yucky to think about.) Plus, it's highly likely their only involvement with spiritual entities is with the Fallen in the coin they've each carried.
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Is love a requirement? I think sex would work just fine. But I get your point. And I don't think Nicodemus would have simply because of he already had a Fallen to begin with. Bob doesn't really resemble any of the Fallen, and I don't get the impression he is like Bonnea in that way.
--- Quote ---It can't be Kemmler because; for one thing we haven't really seen him in the series, we've just heard about him. Plus, I think it might have been impossible for Bob to have cut off his knowledge of Kemmler if Kemmler was his father. It would have been like cutting himself in half.
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He was in A Fistful of Warlocks, but I take your meaning. But yes, Kemmler only got Bob sometime after Bob was born so I don't think he was his parent. I also got the impression he twisted Bob from his natural state, which wouldn't have been necessary I imagine if Kemmler was his parent. Also Bob doesn't talk about him like a parent. Although, I kinda think that is exactly what happened when Bob and Evil Bob split. Buu and Majin Buu.
--- Quote ---Titania isn't in the story often enough to make her a good candidate. Plus, we know so very little about her background.
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I did wonder about her, because Bob's natural state is orange/gold etc. Color associated with Titania. But Bob hardly mentions her, and I would imagine she would produce a spirit more associated with emotion etc. Bob is a logic machine.
--- Quote ---Mab; on the other hand, has been in the story quite often. Her backstory as a mortal is something we may one day learn more about. She's a very good candidate.
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Yeah, by far the best really. But unless she did it on her own there has to be someone else, and Jim said parents (plural).
--- Quote ---The British prisoner. Well, I'm making an assumption that he is human. If so, he's another sound candidate.
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Possible, whoever he is. I don't think he is Merlin or Arthur though. Jim seemed to be under the mistaken impression that those characters might not be public domain. Whoever he is, he isn't them.
--- Quote ---The spiritual entity is a real tough one to guess. I don't count any of the Fae as spiritual entities. Lea told Harry in Ghost Story that she was of both worlds. That means all of the fae are. So, they are like mules which are part horse and part donkey and should be incapable of breeding, at least in the way Harry and Lash did. However, they can breed just fine with mortals the old fashion way; just like the Greek and other various ancient gods are supposed to have done. Plus, how many of the fae are capable of having feelings of love? Probably some, but I doubt any of them are from Winter.
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I do, to be honest. They are partly both as you point out. But I get what you mean. Because if Mab had a child with a mortal man, it would be a Changeling. Not a spirit of air like Bob. So it does suggest their needed to be a more spirit-y being. Yeah, not so sure love is required. Harry thinks so but I think he is a bit naïve myself.
--- Quote ---I seriously doubt anyone has ever had a relationship with a copy of one of the Fallen the way Harry did. It seems like a pretty unique relationship to me. That leaves the Loa, demons, angels, ghosts, ancient gods and maybe Outsiders. Oh yea, I'm forgetting Mac; before he became a bartender and short order cook. Too much points to Mac as having once been something more than just human.
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It does seem unique, I agree. Grigori are supposed to have Nephilim, so Mac is out.
--- Quote ---I'm pretty sure we can eliminate Demons and Outsiders. The only ghost we've met and know a fair amount about was Sir Stewart and he seemed most interested in looking after his descendant Mort. The older gods seem to prefer the physical means of reproduction with mortals, so that probably eliminates Odin. Ulsharavas is the only Loa we've met and only once. Angels are just too remote, to committed to what they are. Plus, they lack free will.
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Outsiders, for sure cannot be a parent. But demons? Bob is a demon technically. So a demon is a very reasonable bet. Not a Fallen btw. I mean like Chauncy or whatever.
Angels don't entirely lack free will, but they are limited. Jim points out that they must have some free will otherwise how could they Fall?
--- Quote ---I'm going to guess Bob's parents are Mab when she was a mortal and Mac when he wasn't. It might explain why she healed him in, was it Cold Days or a short story, I don't remember which. Perhaps such a union also explains why Mac is now mortal. That would make them star-crossed lovers. Mac became a mortal when Mab became immortal.
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Not a bad guess I think, and I like the star-crossed lovers. Not sure I agree but it's a fair guess.
--- Quote from: Mira on January 07, 2022, 04:42:43 PM --- Bob is a spirit being, I doubt that he had any parents at all.
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Yet Jim was asked who the parents were, and said we had met both in the series. Read the OP's post Mira, that's part of rules of posting.
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on January 07, 2022, 05:55:19 PM ---Namshiel and Marcone, it may explain why a vanilla mortal is suddenly able to do magic, it isn’t really Marcone, doing it, it’s the spirit of intellect growing in his head doing the magic like Bob and Butters.
Boy is Harry going to enjoy finding that out if it’s correct! At least until little Namcone start dating Bonny.
WOJ has it yes, Bob has parents and we have met both parents.
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God, that would be terrifying. If Marcone had his own SoI...he would really be bad. I think it's clear he is being set up to be Harry's ultimate nemesis myself. He gains power at about the same rate, and has been in the series almost as long (Dresden has him by two chapters).
Not saying I agree that is how Marcone does his magic though, all humans have the potential according to Jim. A Fallen can coax that out all on it's own, not to mention Namshiel is the magic specialist, and Marcone is an extremely dedicated student. Likely much more than Harry in some ways. I also wonder if Marcone always had a bit of magic, there are constant descriptions of Marcone having almost supernatural speed and weirdness. I wonder if he and Dresden ever actually touched bare hands. Perhaps he has been hiding his talent all this time. Perhaps it wasn't Harry who initiated the Soul Gaze in Storm Front, but Dresden. Hell, he could be Cowl for all we know. Some of his speech patterns are similar, and Cowl likes hiding his identity. It would be very Marcone to pretend he didn't have magic for as long as possible. Indeed, we only learned about it because he fought Ethniu. Marcone deliberately chose to fight without magic up until he almost died, it was literally his last line of defence.
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on January 07, 2022, 09:53:11 PM ---It's been heavily implied the writer of the Shepard's daughter book was the mortal host. "I've been chasing Shepard's daughters since before you were born!" I can't remember who it was, some super fans can tell you.
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Great find, but have we met that author in the books? Jim said we had met both parents. But I do like the connection.
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