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The Gods of Pro Wrestling
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on January 05, 2022, 05:51:34 AM ---Elon Musk if anything is the Golden Calf, a false god, merely a graven image.
The story telling of pro wrestling is exactly the same as any reality tv show except more hitting each other with chairs. Or perhaps less?. God’s thrive on belief, not stories, stories are used to engender belief. A god is merely an immortal with a good writing team behind them. Belief is probably manna from the point of view of a god whether it is celebrity or religious worship, I suspect many a pantheon got its start by being the reality shows of their era. Forget the Kardashians, they have nothing on the Olympians. This isn’t like Bob having trouble with faith based power, these beings are considerably more powerful if not near omnipotent and omnipresent and therefore likely to be the ultimate omnivores in relation to belief.
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Well yes and no. We know plenty of Gods existed prior to Creation, so clearly had power before people were even a thing. So not so sure belief did affect them, until the mortal came along and started changing the rules. Hell, I expect that was part of the fun. Boring old stasis, can't change who you are as an immortal, along comes mortals with their beliefs and choices and suddenly you can. Very tempting for an immortal I am sure. But also, obvious downsides too.
Hard to know how close to omnipotent and omnipresent the gods were/are. Zeus and Quetzalcoatl and the Mothers are all around Uriel level, and he seems to be nigh-omnipotent and exists in every universe at all times. But all of them? I am not so sure.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Nope, Uriel exists simultaneously across all universes, the same being, rather than each universes iteration or variant according to WOJ. We have not been told this of the Mothers or Zeus, which suggests Uriel is the more powerful individual, he just doesn’t manifest all of his power in one universe, if he did that might cause problems for reality, even though he can do virtually nothing in all of those universes for the degree of power that he manifests.
The Mothers are a Mantle so do not predate linear time like a Uriel. The beings wearing the Mantle are another matter, it is likely certain limits were placed on each of the Mantles. The Lady just powerful enough to be an immortal, the Queen just powerful enough to engage with the mortal world without damaging it too badly, by just existing, the Mothers just powerful enough to gain a full Intellectus of that universe.
I think it is safe to presume Uriel has a multiversal Intellectus.
Odin a Skyfather like Zeus took a power down including loss of his immortality to continue be a player in the mortal world, he took up the Kringle Mantle to become immortal again. Hades (on par with Zeus) remains exclusively in the NeverNever. Operating in the mortal world may be damaging to the mortal world and prohibited by the White God, he would have to accept a power down to do so.
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on January 06, 2022, 07:17:20 AM ---Well yes and no. We know plenty of Gods existed prior to Creation, so clearly had power before people were even a thing. So not so sure belief did affect them, until the mortal came along and started changing the rules. Hell, I expect that was part of the fun. Boring old stasis, can't change who you are as an immortal, along comes mortals with their beliefs and choices and suddenly you can. Very tempting for an immortal I am sure. But also, obvious downsides too.
Hard to know how close to omnipotent and omnipresent the gods were/are. Zeus and Quetzalcoatl and the Mothers are all around Uriel level, and he seems to be nigh-omnipotent and exists in every universe at all times. But all of them? I am not so sure.
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The whole immortality bit is also part of why I think there would be more gods as wrestlers than reality stars. Both are scripted but grappling has existed since before we came down from the tress. Reality shows are a bit of a new fangled thing and I don't see many gods changing that fast (but I could be very wrong)
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on January 06, 2022, 12:54:32 PM ---Nope, Uriel exists simultaneously across all universes, the same being, rather than each universes iteration or variant according to WOJ. We have not been told this of the Mothers or Zeus, which suggests Uriel is the more powerful individual, he just doesn’t manifest all of his power in one universe, if he did that might cause problems for reality, even though he can do virtually nothing in all of those universes for the degree of power that he manifests.
The Mothers are a Mantle so do not predate linear time like a Uriel. The beings wearing the Mantle are another matter, it is likely certain limits were placed on each of the Mantles. The Lady just powerful enough to be an immortal, the Queen just powerful enough to engage with the mortal world without damaging it too badly, by just existing, the Mothers just powerful enough to gain a full Intellectus of that universe.
I think it is safe to presume Uriel has a multiversal Intellectus.
Odin a Skyfather like Zeus took a power down including loss of his immortality to continue be a player in the mortal world, he took up the Kringle Mantle to become immortal again. Hades (on par with Zeus) remains exclusively in the NeverNever. Operating in the mortal world may be damaging to the mortal world and prohibited by the White God, he would have to accept a power down to do so.
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Actually, we have - it's in either the Dreden Files Podcast Ep 77 Return of the Jim or 20 Years of Dresden with Priscilla video, I will look up the link - but Jim confirms Zeus, Quetzalcoatl, and others are Uriel and Mothers level.
The Mothers are a mantle, but of a being (or several) that may predate the universe. Considering the power levels involved, and that the Mothers are Uriel-level, I think it's not unreasonable to assume the being (or beings) they come from predate the universe.
Odin did step down, and the rest stepped away, but it was at a point in human history (that I am willing to bet was Hastings or perhaps the Crucifixion). Operating wasn't always prohibited, it only happened relatively recently for reasons unknown.
--- Quote from: K.L.O.E. on January 06, 2022, 11:06:24 PM ---The whole immortality bit is also part of why I think there would be more gods as wrestlers than reality stars. Both are scripted but grappling has existed since before we came down from the tress. Reality shows are a bit of a new fangled thing and I don't see many gods changing that fast (but I could be very wrong)
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But Pro-wrestling is only relatively recent, so what did they do before? Many questions to be answered.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Same width different depth, one set of Mothers per universe, one Uriel per Multiverse, but in each individual universe they manifest the same degree of power. Uriel is as powerful as the Mothers in Dresden Prime Universe, but they are slightly different mothers (they never met Harry) in the Mirrorverse. Uriel has the same power in both universes but he is the same being not a variant like the Mothers.
Marvel would call Uriel a Nexus being. The Mother aren’t. There are universes where they never existed, have both been replaced, neither replaced etc. Same with Zeus etc.
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