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The truth about Harry and Thomas comes out?
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on December 10, 2021, 07:48:38 AM ---The svartalves might take Mab's or Molly's word on it but never just Harry's
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Oh I don't know, they have their own way of truth finding and realized pretty quickly that Harry had nothing to do with the assassination attempt.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on December 09, 2021, 12:27:30 PM ---If he can prove he was being coerced by Nemesis then he would be okay, the Swartalves are after the controlling mind rather than the instrument of attack.
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I'm not sure being blackmailed carries the same weight for them as being a vassal. Thomas still made a choice to comply with the blackmail - the svartalves seem like the kind of folks who'd consider writing off the life of a mortal lover the lesser evil to breaking guest right.
Or, for that matter, he could have asked their help in staging a fake assassination.
Shift8:
I don't see how Thomas being coerced via threatening Justine and their child is good enough to get Thomas off the hook.
It is generally considered that for duress to be an excuse the duress must be direct at ones own person, and not a 3rd party. It doesnt matter they are a family member. You cant just go around killing people because someone threatens to kill other people. It make sense if you OWN life is on the line, but not for anyone else.
Additionally duress is only and excuse if the threat is imminent and inescapable. For example someone has a gun to your head and orders you to shoot an innocent person or they kill you. The threat is immediate and cannot be practically escaped. It is also necessary for threat that constitutes the duress to be equal or worse than the consequences of what the person being coerced is being asked to do. For example its not duress if I steal the money in your bank account and wont give it back unless you kill someone for me.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Shift8 on December 16, 2021, 08:18:24 PM ---I don't see how Thomas being coerced via threatening Justine and their child is good enough to get Thomas off the hook.
It is generally considered that for duress to be an excuse the duress must be direct at ones own person, and not a 3rd party. It doesnt matter they are a family member. You cant just go around killing people because someone threatens to kill other people. It make sense if you OWN life is on the line, but not for anyone else.
Additionally duress is only and excuse if the threat is imminent and inescapable. For example someone has a gun to your head and orders you to shoot an innocent person or they kill you. The threat is immediate and cannot be practically escaped. It is also necessary for threat that constitutes the duress to be equal or worse than the consequences of what the person being coerced is being asked to do. For example its not duress if I steal the money in your bank account and wont give it back unless you kill someone for me.
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I believe one could argue that one's unborn child could be an exception to the rule.. However at this point we only have Justine/Nemesis word that Thomas is the father. Even in the opening dialogue between Harry and Thomas, the sterility of male White Court Vamps is brought up, making the pregnancy a rare thing. Later on the boat HWWB though Justine boasts that things were manipulated to make it happen or at least to make Thomas believe he was the father. At the very least that would make Thomas willing to go to any lengths to save his child.
morriswalters:
Protecting your child gives you no special privilege. It certainly doesn't confer on you the right to harm other innocents to protect them. Thomas exercised his free will and made a choice.
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