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Demonreach and the WC
morriswalters:
Why would the most dangerous prison in the universe not vet it's warden? Imagine Alcatraz installing Al Capone as Warden. It reads more like Kemmler was corrupted by using the ley lines while he was Warden at the prison and was returning to use them to do a Dark Hallow. You even have Rashid warning Harry about using them.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on December 07, 2021, 06:56:17 PM ---Why would the most dangerous prison in the universe not vet it's warden? Imagine Alcatraz installing Al Capone as Warden. It reads more like Kemmler was corrupted by using the ley lines while he was Warden at the prison and was returning to use them to do a Dark Hallow. You even have Rashid warning Harry about using them.
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The Warden is vetted, not in a conventional way to be sure, but the whole genus loci thing was the vetting of Harry. Perhaps the weakness of the system is that it doesn't vet for character, merely for the strength and talent of the applicant. Then again there must be ways to remove a bad one, if indeed Kemmler was the Warden at one time, apparently in the end he couldn't use his position to he advantage.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Cozarkian on December 06, 2021, 07:47:21 PM ---I'm not sure the entire Senior Council knows the truth about Demonreach. Facts about Demonreach include:
1. It has a powerful genus loci and leyline.
2. It is a prison for powerful beings
3. The Warden has the ability to free/control the prisoners.
4. ???
The Senior Council knows #1 and probably #2. They might not realize #3 and if there is a #4, I don't think most of them know. Depending on their state of knowledge, I see the following reasons nobody became the Warden before Harry:
1. None of them live nearby and it isn't very useful unless you tend to be on the island. It might be dangerous to travel too using the Ways and inconvenient to do so in person. The dark ley line is potentially dangerous and associated with Warlocks, so none of the Senior Council would trust another Senior Council member that took control.
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There are at least a couple of Ways... (presumably) Peabody gates in during the faceoff, somewhere on the far side. Rashid gates in to Whatsup Dock. Now, that was a good one - water tends to weaken things... was there a Way over water before the Dock was built? Did a NEW Way come into existence when Harry and Thomas built the dock? And if you have Ways... I have to imagine distance doesn't matter. Wasn't it established that at some point Rashid walks on the Moon between Ways? That's, what, 239,000 miles? Peabody and buddy walked it. Gotta think Eb or Langtry could. Rashid knows his Way.
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2. See #1 - plus there is generally no perceived need for it as the dangerous creatures have been largely imprisoned already.
3. See #1 and 2 - plus no Senior Council member will permit another to have that kind of power.
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#3 is DEAD on target. Kemmler was not Senior Council. He was a warden.
People graduate from Warden. Eb did. He was captain, I think it was when Luccio was in the West. Pre-bodyswap, Luccio was spoken as a candidate for the Council. They don't want a potential boost in the hands of another Senior. Balance of power and all. They cannot be happy a young brash wizard with a lot of natural power has the keys to the explosives chest. Not even knowing if he can bind the prisoners, he has the ley line that has dark energy that can corrupt.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: seanham on December 06, 2021, 10:25:43 PM ---Kemmler was the last Warden of Deamonreach. I think the WOJ, or somewhere in the books, said that the reason for them fighting (or WW2???) was all to prevent Kemmler from returning to the Island; if someone could provide the exact wording, that would be appreciated!
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I thought the big teamup was to keep Kemmler from pulling off the Darkhallow. That would be a huge powerup. Now, if a wizard pulled it off in desperation - could they have faced off with Ethniu?
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on December 08, 2021, 04:24:58 AM ---The Warden is vetted, not in a conventional way to be sure, but the whole genus loci thing was the vetting of Harry. Perhaps the weakness of the system is that it doesn't vet for character, merely for the strength and talent of the applicant. Then again there must be ways to remove a bad one, if indeed Kemmler was the Warden at one time, apparently in the end he couldn't use his position to he advantage.
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The warden IS vetted - by Demonreach himself. I don't think Harry stands a chance against the genius loci - but he shows power, and courage, and will. So Alfred signs off. Reminds me of the time Harry took the Wild Hunt from the Erlking and Vadderung. He knows the Erlking let himself get hit. Harry is not in the same class as those two. It's willingness they want.
one thing - Harry's talk with the bandaged head - I may be wrong, but wasn't that with Rashid, not Listens?
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