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There is no such thing as "Black" Magic in the Dresdenverse

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Mira:

--- Quote ---To use your example (and I just want to point out we are skating close to the line of Touchy Topics so let's just all be careful here), a wizard paedophile who wasn't violating any of the Laws or Council rules would not be subject to their punishments. Not only that, but defining such a character is more tricky than you might imagine. The age of legal marriage varies greatly across the world even today sadly, and while generally most cultures in most times consider prepubescent people children (and therefore consider any sexual relations with them paedophilia) unfortunately it isn't always the case. When you get then factor in other time periods as well where people got married earlier and lived shorter lives...it becomes even trickier. I bring this up because there would be wizards alive on the White Council who might come from a time and place who don't see the issue with marrying a 14 year old or whatever. And they wouldn't even necessarily be in the minority, as it seems the Council's average age is around a century or more.

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Tip toeing very carefully around a very touchy topic here, but I think that one of the Seven Laws the White Council is very serious about is enthrallment.  If you go back and read the earliest descriptions of it, what Justin did to Elaine and attempted to do to Harry had sexual elements to it.  At the time both Elaine and Harry were minors.  Now that image has changed over the books, or Harry's memory of what really happened has changed, but that mirrors somewhat what happens to the memories of those abused. In Harry's first memories, it isn't just enthrallment, but the corruption of two minors by Justin.

Yuillegan:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on December 30, 2021, 09:08:12 PM ---No “black” magic, only “black” magicians,

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Could be semantics potentially. To speak of one might be to speak of the other. Mortals can influence reality to such a massive degree with their choices after all, it could be as simple as whatever the majority of humans believe is evil makes it evil in a cosmic sense.

I am not saying that's the case by the way, but it's possible.


--- Quote from: Mira on January 01, 2022, 04:16:58 AM ---Tip toeing very carefully around a very touchy topic here, but I think that one of the Seven Laws the White Council is very serious about is enthrallment.  If you go back and read the earliest descriptions of it, what Justin did to Elaine and attempted to do to Harry had sexual elements to it.  At the time both Elaine and Harry were minors.  Now that image has changed over the books, or Harry's memory of what really happened has changed, but that mirrors somewhat what happens to the memories of those abused. In Harry's first memories, it isn't just enthrallment, but the corruption of two minors by Justin.

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I thought you did very well there Mira, I appreciate the care you have shown here.

I agree wholeheartedly that the implication with Harry and Elaine is that some of their abuse from Justin could have had a sexual nature. Arguably, even the fact that Justin put them together as minors and did nothing to discourage their experimenting let alone potentially encouraging it (and.or manipulating things to ensure it) could be argued as abuse, I am sure DOCS would view it with a particularly dim view.

I got the impression that Jim was potentially going to use the next book to reveal and have Harry deal with some of this stuff, along with anything else he may have to deal with.

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