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Conspiracy Theorist:
Mavra was the recipient of a gift organised by Cowl and Kumori in Grave Peril from the Red Court. However in Dead Beat she was quite separate to Cowl in her pursuit of the Word.

If we take Cowl as the archetypal Black Council Member, then Mavra isn’t a Member BUT they appear to be interested in allying with the Black Court, as they did with the Red Court and maybe the Fomor.

It is clear Drakul is playing his own game and has near complete control over the Black Court, he is his own Starborn after all, he doesn’t need to make alliances with other groups to access their Starborn, but other groups are interested in allying with him.

If the Black Council were looking to ally with Drakul in Grave Peril, or turn Harry as Red Vampire  then the Black Council likely didn’t have access to Listen at that stage. listen only came to the fore after Harry’s presumed death in Changes- deliberate on his part? The fewer Starborn the more valuable they become. listen’s bargaining position improved markedly after Harry’s death.

HeWhoSucksAtWalking:
Here's another question.. It's said many times that the BC has beeen around since the dawn of human memory..So a couple Millenna? So which Court is the oldest? The Red Court have been around since pre history as was astableshed in Changes with the revealing of Duchess Arianna age and the Red Kings. The whites speak aform of Roman right? So they might be started around then..So which Court do you think is the oldest . We have no clue how old Drakul is so it's anyone's guess just how long that they have existed  ; though it was his son that started the BC years later but that doesn't mean that they didn't have a older organization before Vlad went and rebelled and invented the Black Court..

Another thing ; it was  obvious when Vlad changed a human  into vampire 🦇 it was your  typical traditional Undead  Stoker Vamp. I wonder what happens if his Dad changes someone . Is it different? More like him? From all accounts of the lore ( well not the Dresden lore but the book is gospel  according to everyone in the series)Vlad was a handsome non rotting undead. So maybe Daddy can ichange people into beings more like himself .

HeWhoSucksAtWalking:
And by the way I still want  find out about the two missing BC elders..Did Jim forget? We're they taken out in secrets? If anyone of you have time go reread chapters 11-13 in Battleground and tell me your thoughts.

Ed0517:

--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on April 02, 2022, 11:00:31 PM ---Mavra was the Drummer, she was the Ringo of the Elders, the least by a long chalk,

--- End quote ---

I just love this shade throw.... the Ringo of the Elders.... LOL

(what do you call a drummer whose girlfriend broke up with him? Homeless.)

Ed0517:
Well, human memory is basically the start of history - so we do not have anything putting the Blacks or Reds first, and Etruscan predates Latin - but is it a language the Whites picked up because they were in the area? Or did the locals pick up what the WHITES were talking, with the WC being the seed?

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