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BrainFireBob:

--- Quote from: Mira on April 01, 2022, 02:19:39 PM ---But I don't think anything was said about him being a member of the Black Council.. Again lots of talk about, but no substance as to whether or not it really exists.. Oh I think there is some kind of connection, or at least perhaps some of the factions have was looks like the same aims but that doesn't mean they are part of a group called the Black Council.

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I believe you're confusing Black Council with Black Court. Black Court's a vampire court, Black Council is Harry's name for the alliance of individuals from several nations working to undermine everything. The post you quote was about Black Court, not Black Council.


--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on March 31, 2022, 10:53:58 PM ---The Jade Court are classic Chinese hopping vampires, breath or chi stealers meaning the Jampires have more in common with the Whampires (aside from both being fans of British rock bands).

Reds and Blacks both require blood and the life force suspended in that to feed, rather than take the life force direct.

My theory is Drakul is wearing a Starborn body, Kemmler was after something similar but was too early for Harry’s generation, Justin in this theory was waiting for Kemmler to return, Harry was to be the new body for Kemmler, and with a Starborn body Kemmler had the last piece of the jigsaw for a successful Darkhallow (which is why it nearly killed Cowl), it explains why Kemmler never did the Darkhallow when he could have used the power to crush the White Council, the only Starborn body around from previous generations was already occupied by Drakul, and I doubt even Kemmler fancied taking him on.

It may be that there is a physical limitation on a mortal absorbing too much power unless it is through a construct like a Mantle, or mother Winters Walking Stick, or they are a Starborn.

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Agree on Drakul being in a Starborn body- I'd propose that the body unexpectedly put a bounds on his ability to manifest, like it was itself a miniature living Outer Gate, and that's why he's stuck.

Agree that Harry was intended as a Kemmler vessel, or a vessel for Justin doing a Corpsetaker. Talent needs to be developed to not wither, so Harry needed training regardless.

Disagree on Kemmler not having done a Darkhallow. I rather think he must have done at least a preliminary test-of-concept version, but it was limited for some reason- perhaps because he wasn't starborn. May have limited him to a certain "volume" of ghost consumption- the prize, I think, is to do one at Demonreach, which he would well understand.

Also disagree on available Starborn. I think Rashid is one. Mab and Titania might be. Hell, maybe that's part of the White King's secret and why he'll do deals with Outsiders. But Harry, with a powerful wizard talent and affinity for the more destructive aspects of it, is a prize of a starborn host.

I'm in agreement with Mira about Harry's father mattering, even if it's in a literary sense- in a "in the end what matters is that Harry is more Malcolm's son than Margaret's" story-sense. Everything sees his mother in everything he does- her power, her secrets, her talents, even her height- but what's inside isn't corrupt in the same way. Harry isn't a saint, but even the Temptress among the Fallen couldn't corrupt him. He's. . .excessively centered in himself. He's capable of doing evil he agrees to, and only when he agrees to it.

That's what I see, anyway, and I find it an interesting character to be the hero of the story. He's not necessarily nice, but he's . .independent. It's his choices. He's centered in that. Doesn't accept coercion.

Conspiracy Theorist:
There appears to be a power limitation (enforced by the White God) on manifesting in the mortal word, Mab and Titania represent the upper limit without receiving the negative attention of the White God and his/her champions (see Ethnui) a full blown god such as Hades can reside in his demesne in the Never Never, or set aside their godhood such as Odin and live in the mortal world, but not be a full god residing in the mortal world. I think Drakul tried to cheat, pouring a god level power into a Starborn body and got stuck. A Darkhallow would therefore be a restoration of his former status.

If so the question is why hasn’t Drakul done a Darkhallow yet ? He has everything he needs, the only answer can be timing. Kemmler may not have been interested in the Endgame, but Drakul is, and needs to be mortal Starborn until then. Perhaps for th3 immunity to the Outsiders it grants him?. I think Drakul’s ultimate aim may be to replace the White God and his Endgame Darkhallow will reap the entire Human Race running from Earth to Earth depowering the White God, Archangels and Angels and empowering himself at the same time and overcoming the Outsiders.The Outsiders opening the Outer Gates exposing all of reality would fit in with this, just what he did with Ethnui and the Fomor, using them for his own ends.

I think we are seeing a battle for all of reality with Harry’s Earth the lynchpin, the White God versus the Outsiders as per usual each cycle, but this time with Drakul and possibly Lucifer/the Black Council also pitching in to depose the White God and replace him/her. Lucifer as an Archangel already exists in all worlds per WOJ as regards Uriel the same being existing in all realities, he doesn’t need the Darkhallow, but appears to be looking for powerful allies, such as a god level Cowl. Drakul doesn’t and didn’t exist in all realities but raising to Archangel level or higher would be a step up from a mere god and explain the step down into a Starborn.

To recap Harry is not only facing the Outsiders, intent on destroying reality he is facing rivals to the White God in Lucifer and Drakul, dark Creator wannabes, destroying reality to replace it with their creation.

Mira:

--- Quote ---I believe you're confusing Black Council with Black Court. Black Court's a vampire court, Black Council is Harry's name for the alliance of individuals from several nations working to undermine everything. The post you quote was about Black Court, not Black Council.

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Not confusing, merely misreading.  As far as the Black Court goes, since unless killed they live forever why do they need any elders?  They have a couple of leaders at the moment, Drakul and Mavra.

Conspiracy Theorist:
Mavra was the Drummer, she was the Ringo of the Elders, the least by a long chalk, she is at best middle management.

Drakul was on a recruitment drive,  he needed magically talented new members for something even at the risk of losing existing elders. His exercise ended at best a draw, he got Wild Bill and Yoshi, but at the expense of at least two of his elders.

However Junior made the existing Elders and he annoyed Daddy making them. Does Drakul think he can do better? If so he comes out ahead swapping inferior Elders for his new model Blamp.

HeWhoSucksAtWalking:
Yeah guys when I wrote BC I meant Black Court..sorry for the misunderstanding ..Though I wouldn't rule out any BC elders being involved in Black Council business. Like Mavra for instance.

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