The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Harry should have trusted Ramirez
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on February 05, 2022, 10:01:33 PM ---Maeve didn't want to be cured, Lea did. Lea admits that she wasn't in her right mind in GS and Sarissa makes this point to Maeve in CD. Maeve rejects the overture and Mab's offer to cure her and return her to her duties, thus sealing her fate.
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That's my point, though you express it better than me. Maeve was the real target, Nemesis merely used Lea to get near her. Nemesis knew that Maeve was vulnerable in the extreme, and was also aware of the dynamics that set up her eventual infection. They also understood that because she was already unstable her infection would go unnoticed by Mab until it was too late for her to do anything about it except what she did. I also think the scene with Harry in the chapel in Small Favor is Mab realizing what had happened and being totally pissed with herself over it.
Conspiracy Theorist:
The Athame was vector for a strong and unwilling host. Maeve was a willing host, so transmission was Athame to Lea (unwilling but strong) to Maeve (strong but willing) to Justine (unwilling but weak).
Again Mab must have realised that Justine was likely Nemfected right from Cold Days, but didn’t tell Harry.
morriswalters:
Mab states precisely how Maeve was nemfected in the denouement in Cold Days. Lea got to Maeve before Mab got to Lea. My best guess is somewhere around Summer Knight.
--- Quote ---“It was the knife,” Mab said. “Knife?” “Morgana’s athame,” Mab said in a neutral tone—but her eyes were far away. “The one given her by the Red Court at Bianca’s masquerade. That was how the Leanansidhe was tainted—and your godmother spread it to Maeve before I could set it right.”
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (p. 513). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Mab shows up in Dead Beat with the Atheme which places Lea on ice at the point.
--- Quote ---"Because I do not tolerate challenges to my authority," she said. One pale hand drifted to the hilt of the knife at her belt. "Certain events had convinced your godmother that she was no longer bound by my word and will. She is now learning otherwise."
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So at that point Maeve must also be nemfected.
To quote from the Lord of the Rings. "One does not simply walk into Mordor." You just don't portal into Mab's fortress. Otherwise she would have all sorts of deviants creeping in trying to kill her. And we know she can restrict it from Cold Days.
--- Quote ---without inside help. Even traveling by Ways takes at least some time, and I’d expected a hike back to the real world. “How?” I asked quietly. “Her Majesty had it made,” Sith said. I whistled. Intentionally forming a connection from a specific place to a specific place took amounts of energy so enormous that even the White Council of Wizards could rarely manage it—I’d seen it done only once in my lifetime, the year before, in Chichén Itzá. “She had it made? For me?” “Indeed,” Sith said. “In fact, this is, for the time being, the only way in or out of Faerie.” I blinked several times. “You mean Winter?” “Faerie,” Sith stated. “All of it.” I choked. “Wait. You mean all of Faerie is on lockdown?”
Butcher, Jim. Cold Days (The Dresden Files, Book 14) (pp. 76-77). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Maeve had to be the one who opened the door by setting up a portal in Pell's theater.
But, Harry sinks Cowls battleship in Dead Beat, he doesn't ascend, doesn't get to play god. Namshiel has to haul ass because Winter is coming for blood(There is actually a WOJ on this)
--- Quote ---At the end of the day, the Winter Queen was still in her fortress–but you didn’t see anyone standing around assaulting the place, did ya. :) Also, it has probably occurred to more than one of you that if Mab was /really/ in trouble, she could have had the entire military might of Faerie back at the fortress in moments–exactly the way they *did* come back when Harry smacked the Winter Well with the fires of Summer.
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. Maeve lets him out and they both scoot. Had Cowl succeeded poof on the WC and Mab would have be looking over her shoulder. On the other hand if Maeve wanted to disappear all she had to do was git. I'm open to any better narrative.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Yep, I read the same passage from Cold Days in formulating my theory, and it is consistent with it.
Again Lea being on ice in Dead Beat is a given, but not that Maeve is infected at that point. Lea is still infected by Proven Guilty and the attack on Arctis Tor to “free her” is supposed to have failed, but it is only presumed that this was to “free” Lea. It may have been the point of infection for Maeve as well as to test the level of protection of Demonreach’s backdoor.
The invaders were not portalling into Arctis Tor, they broke in via the Front Gate, they would have gone to a marshalling point in Winter not protected and from there and travelled by foot. Part of Nemfected Leas purpose may have been to be discovered and inprisoned, either confirming or re-making the backdoor to Demonreach.
Pell’s theatre may have been a natural congruency to the part of Winter where the phobo phages dwelt, it dealt in phantom images of fear, and had for quite some time. If so it would explain why Peabody travelled from Edinburgh to Chicago, he then only had to travel across town by cab to Pell’s theatre, come out near Arctis Tor to be met by Maeve who took him to Mab’s ice prison and the backdoor to Demonreach. Peabody simply didn’t have a more direct route, and this route had been surveyed by the Black Council in Proven Guilty.
Mab may have allowed the attack to confirm a few things, such as Maeve’s connivance, Denarian involvement with the Black Council, having this as Molly’s audition for a potential Winter Lady, and getting a further handle on Harry to be the Winter Knight. It may also have been allowed to lull the Black Council into a false sense of security.
Remember Nicky was owed a favour by Mab before and during Proven Guilty, so wouldn’t the attack by the Denarians have erased that? It confirmed Nicky wasn’t in control of all the Denarians to Mab, as the favour still stood until Skin Game. Harry further confirmed this in Battle Ground with Namshiel.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Remember Nicky was owed a favour by Mab before and during Proven Guilty, so wouldn’t the attack by the Denarians have erased that? It confirmed Nicky wasn’t in control of all the Denarians to Mab, as the favour still stood until Skin Game. Harry further confirmed this in Battle Ground with Namshiel.
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Mab has a bone to pick with Namshiel for using Hell Fire on Arctis Tor, she states it clearly in Small Favor. Wonder how she is going to react to Marcone once she finds out he has the coin.
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