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Harry should have trusted Ramirez
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 28, 2022, 05:01:53 PM ---I can't say what Butcher is thinking. I'm willing to accept that AI evaluated Harry and found him to be a worthy Warden. But then again according to Butcher he gave Kemmler the position.
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Maybe Kemmler was an effective warden. White council rules ae not necessarily relevant here.
Mira:
--- Quote ---I never said Harry was a 2 year old throwing a tantrum. And I've repeated it three times. Two year olds may throw tantrums, but they also pick up loaded guns and kill themselves or others. Because otherwise rational adults leave guns where two year olds can get at them. I can't make it any clearer then that.
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I never said that you did, if you think that, I am sorry you got that impression, because that wasn't my intent. I was merely illustrating what two year olds can be like in their worst light, that Harry didn't act like that to get the job that he didn't know he was getting. If you want to say Harry in charge is like putting a two year old in charge. Okay, using your analogy, I think it is more like leaving a two year old home alone. The two year old didn't ask to be left behind, but since it was done, he has to do the best that he can as responsibly as a two year old can. Can you offer any examples where Harry has acted like a two year old since he became Warden of the island?
So far, Harry hasn't acted like a two year old as far as being Warden of Demonreach, he has acted rather responsibly, like an adult. The two year old is the intellectus or Alfred, who like most two year olds, doesn't understand when he is in real danger, thus he needs an adult or Warden to supervise. As Harry says in Skin Game, there are defense systems on the island that only the Warden can implement, in other words, the island needs adult supervision.
--- Quote ---Maybe Kemmler was an effective warden. White council rules ae not necessarily relevant here.
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Could be, more to the point I think is the White Council may have no real say in the matter. Which might be the real answer, as long as whoever passes the island's test for a Warden, he or she gets to be it, end of story. The island isn't testing character or maturity, it merely tests if the potential Warden is strong enough and smart enough for the job that needs to be done. Again going back to what Morgan said about an intellectus, because they are immortal there are some dangers they just do not comprehend. Hence Kemmler certainly passes the test as far as talent and intelligence goes to be Warden, being corrupt and evil is another matter, but the island might not see those last two as a threat to it.
BrainFireBob:
My 2 cents- Demonreach only cares if its Warden is capable- magical chops and has the will- to bind dark gods.
Demonreach wants to be used- this was clear from when they interred Thomas.
g33k:
--- Quote from: Mira on January 27, 2022, 05:10:24 PM ---Alfred knows the island needs a Warden, ... Harry comes along and does the genius loci, makes him Warden. Alfred isn't thinking through whether or not Harry would be a good one or a bad one...
Problem, island needs a Warden, skip to the end, Harry.
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on page 279 he gets to the crux of why the island needs a Warden and why the island to use Morriswalters example is like a two year old being in charge without one.
In other words the island without a proper Warden cannot properly defend itself because it cannot imagine what to look for to prevent it.
Because he is immortal he has a hard time understanding that the island is being threatened. Like a two year old doesn't understand that a hot stove will burn, he needs an adult to explain it.
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In other words, without a Warden, the island might know it's about to be attacked, but would have a hard time imagining how it would be attacked or that it is vulnerable to being attacked.
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This, I think.
We have seen repeatedly that many of the older beings see the signs of apocalyptic troubles coming. They are maneuvering and repositioning and making power-plays.
We know Alfred has problems seeing beyond the island, but I suspect the island itself may have some "detect the oncoming apocalypse" measures built in (apocalypses (had to think for a moment to pluralize that'un!) are probably one of the things Merlin explicitly planned-for, as likely to threaten the security of the island).
At that point, having been Warden-less for so long, the island *needs* to fill the role. Nevermind choosing the "best" candidate... there is exactly one resume in the applicant-pile; if he passes the minimum-qualifications test, even a 2-year-old gets the job at this juncture in time.
[ BTW -- can someone point me to the WoJ about Kemmler having been warden? I just had an idea... I want to see if it fits with what Jim said... ]
[ Also -- do we actually know that "the White Council" (as an organization) actually knows about the island as a prison? Ley-lines they surely know, and probably the Genus-Loci spirit; but the "prison" aspect, and the automatic "Warden" role that comes with a sanctum-binding? Maybe only a subset of them know; one of the other things Jim has said is that the White Council is made up of a bunch of secrecy-loving old wizards, and all of them are keeping secrets from one another. So maybe just LTW knows the island houses a prison; but most of the Council just think of it as a huge Leyline confluence ...? I mean, seriously: if you are *THE* Warden... aren't you automatically the Senior Warden? Maybe that's how it once was, but they've forgotten... ]
[ Also pt.III -- Did Harry ever accept the tutoring offered by LTW, or by River Shoulders? Almost certainly, RS's people know more about the island than all the White Council combined ... ]
morriswalters:
I'm beginning to hate two year olds.
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