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How powerful is Ivy getting?
seanham:
Honestly, I feel like Ivy was a lightweight in Battle Ground. In the Shed Aquarium battle, she fought many Denarians at once, but in Bettle Ground, she had "heavy things" floating around her. It doesn't make sense to me why if she was so skillful, she would use blunt objects as her weapon of choice. Why not a fistful of Mordite or lightning or some other more elemental or powerful weapon. While Ivy has a large magical "battery" and is very talented in some aspects, I think her human side prevents her from becoming the ultimate powerhouse she could become. Maybe as she ages, she'll learn how to use her power in other ways.
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On the other hand, maybe my thinking is wrong. When I was writing this, I was thinking of physical power. However, that's not what the Archive is supposed to be. While the Archive can defend itself, its main purpose and power come from knowledge. So in incidences of mass casualty (such as post Battle Ground), she can direct humanity in the most efficient ways possible and can preserve knowledge.
Conspiracy Theorist:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 25, 2021, 09:30:45 PM ---Not so much because Butters was a genius [agreed he is] but because Butters is an ordinary vanilla human, Bob had access to things and information, like computers etc that he couldn't with Harry because of wizard technology limitations
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Thinking more along the way Bob has problems with faith and the White God’s artefacts, not his “wavelength”, it’s how he is built, the Archive I think has a similar problem, she was designed for the preservation of Human Knowledge, so when she was up against the Denarians the human hosts knowledge accumulated by the Fallen over Millenia. Against the Non-Human Fomor and the Titan they are operating from a totally alien knowledge base to the Archive, she can’t “see” what they are doing and how to counter it. She has to make it up as she goes along, and I suspect the Archive isn’t good at that type of spontaneity.
I wonder if this is why Nick recruited Blood on His Soul? To broaden out the knowledge base of the Fallen.
morriswalters:
I thought the Archives purpose was to win the Oblivion War. Having access to all human lore was to make sure that those things are erased from human memory. Am I mistaken?
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: Conspiracy Theorist on November 25, 2021, 07:42:16 PM ---It’s no just knowledge as an abstract, it’s the ability to comprehend and apply that knowledge.
For example she will have access to every bit of science and technical data the human race has ever developed, but does she have the native ability to apply that knowledge other than just write it out? Is she little more than a data storage device? Of can she develop new formulae and applications? She might have every bit of information about the internal combustion engine, but could she actually diagnose a problem with one and fix it?
By analogy Bob on a much smaller scale only realised some of his potential working with Butters, who Harry freely admits is a genius. Butters can’t store the information like Bob, but in some respects he can process information in ways Bob simply cannot unaided.
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considering her ability with magic, it's not just set to read only. She Incorporated and understood it well enough to use it to great effect.
--- Quote ---Honestly, I feel like Ivy was a lightweight in Battle Ground. In the Shed Aquarium battle, she fought many Denarians at once, but in Bettle Ground, she had "heavy things" floating around her. It doesn't make sense to me why if she was so skillful, she would use blunt objects as her weapon of choice. Why not a fistful of Mordite or lightning or some other more elemental or powerful weapon
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likely for the same reason harry used vanilla fire vs the corner hounds(also hwwbh), because stuff from the real world is harder for magically resistant beings to slew off them. An the titanic armor seemed to handle magic easier than physical attacks (like Lara's hamstring)
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on November 28, 2021, 02:21:23 AM ---I thought the Archives purpose was to win the Oblivion War. Having access to all human lore was to make sure that those things are erased from human memory. Am I mistaken?
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I don't think you are, but that doesn't mean all human lore is erased from it's memory. It may be why the Denarians wanted the Archive so badly, they wanted access to some of the memory that was erased so they could use it. Notice they made their move when the human shell it resides in was a orphaned child and vulnerable.
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