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Is Murphy truly dead
Arjan:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on November 14, 2021, 03:29:54 AM ---You are you only so long as you have the people who are part of you in your life. When you're 100 and everybody you know is dead who are you then? It's a morbid thought but it is what it is. Remember those Ghosts in Ghost Story that couldn't remember who and what they were. They may not have been souls but they are much what I imagine souls could become watching everyone they ever knew die.
In terms of the story it allows Jim to cheat. That's now three people Jim has stashed against some story idea that might need them. So Murphy will remain dead only so long as the story doesn't demand her.
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Everybody she knew. She knew quite a few of them already.
Question for Jim. Are you going to write a short story about Murphy in Walhalla?
Arjan:
Also Jim is very busy sanitizing Norse mythology. The entrance criteria to walhalla in Gard’s speech at the end of Battle Ground are from what you will find in old sources and where is vadderungs thirst for human sacrifices?
One explanation is that when human stories change they change. The other one is that Jim does not want to deal too much with the differences in morality between the the original stories and current readers.
Murphy will be fine. Jim just changes the story enough to make that happen.
Conspiracy Theorist:
Indeed look, at how the story of Kringle has evolved, Odin was part of it in mythology with Christianity absorbing the ‘pagan’ Norse religion, but I bet Vadderung has in recent decades started to get a wicked thirst for Coca Cola, neat.
Harry has never done a summoning for Kringle it would be very interesting to see him do one, and what he would use given the evolution of his personal mythos.
The same should apply with the Odin aspect, the MCU will have been pulling that in a radically different direction in the last decade and a bit in particular, but sounding like Sir Anthony is better than an unquenchable thirst for the real thing.
I do wonder if the creation of the Vadderung persona was to counteract these different pulls? No real public aspect unlike Kringle or Odin to be manipulated. As Vadderung Odin/Kringle can be more himself. We know how Mab feels about Disney, how much of a pull is that on her? Does the freedom Molly has in the Good People reflect the effect of Frozen, allowing her to stay attached to her family? To do ‘good’?
The MCU/Marvel Comics doesn’t really include the Einenjhar (unless those were Hel’s Soldiers) but does include Valkyries. Is this reshaping Valhalla?
The_Sibelis:
Or ya know, they come back lacking something vital in the passion department? Like, Lucio said it was good for the soul, but if they're running on a false soul fire, they don't exactly have the same soul/passion for life. (Almost literally considering they all blew themselves up with joy to kill a giant and go back to Valhalla)
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Arjan on November 14, 2021, 09:43:23 AM ---Also Jim is very busy sanitizing Norse mythology. The entrance criteria to walhalla in Gard’s speech at the end of Battle Ground are from what you will find in old sources and where is vadderungs thirst for human sacrifices?
One explanation is that when human stories change they change. The other one is that Jim does not want to deal too much with the differences in morality between the the original stories and current readers.
Murphy will be fine. Jim just changes the story enough to make that happen.
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Yeah, as I said when I added my two cents on this, it isn't about the myth. It's how I feel about the way he handled Murphy's death in terms of how the story is written.
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