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Thomas hoped Marcone would Kill Lara?
Mira:
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So while I understand that the end of Turn Coat may have hinted at a change in Thomas. After almost two years, he's healed quite a bit and should realistically be close to his old self, san a trigger.
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Yeah, but at the end of Turn Coat Thomas was more the "classic White Court Vamp," that isn't Thomas. Then that gets swept under the rug pretty quickly, what I'm wondering is if at the point he was more vulnerable and HWWB/Justine is able to take advantage of him.. As in at the end of Ghost Story she brings in a lesbian to have sex with so she and Thomas can touch each other and have sex. Ask yourself, if it was that easy, why didn't they do that years before? Remember at the end of Battle Ground Justine/HWWB was boasting to Harry how he/she set things up so Thomas could get her pregnant.. Hmmmm... Was Shaggy cahoots with Outsiders back in Turn Coat?
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 23, 2021, 07:37:01 PM ---Yeah, but at the end of Turn Coat Thomas was more the "classic White Court Vamp," that isn't Thomas. Then that gets swept under the rug pretty quickly, what I'm wondering is if at the point he was more vulnerable and HWWB/Justine is able to take advantage of him.. As in at the end of Ghost Story she brings in a lesbian to have sex with so she and Thomas can touch each other and have sex. Ask yourself, if it was that easy, why didn't they do that years before? Remember at the end of Battle Ground Justine/HWWB was boasting to Harry how he/she set things up so Thomas could get her pregnant.. Hmmmm... Was Shaggy cahoots with Outsiders back in Turn Coat?
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While I think it happened earlier, it's possible that Nemesis had not infected Justine until Turn Coat and was not in full control of her until after Changes or Cold Days. We know that there is some part of Justine still there because her love for Thomas renews their protection after each liaison.
Mira:
--- Quote from: vincentric on November 24, 2021, 05:25:17 PM ---While I think it happened earlier, it's possible that Nemesis had not infected Justine until Turn Coat and was not in full control of her until after Changes or Cold Days. We know that there is some part of Justine still there because her love for Thomas renews their protection after each liaison.
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Do we? As far as Nemesis goes, I don't think that would affect the "true love" protection. My point is if it merely took a sex act with someone else to cancel it out, why didn't it happen before Ghost Story?
Also there were some questions regarding Justine in Turn Coat.. I just skimmed across them looking for something else, but after Shaggy takes Thomas it becomes a question of whether or not Justine can still sense Thomas for I think were tracking purposes. As I said it was a quick glance, but what if Shaggy was softening up Thomas for Nemesis? Could Justine been lying about not sensing Thomas so Shaggy would have time to remove as much humanity from Thomas as possible?
vincentric:
--- Quote from: Mira on November 24, 2021, 06:31:44 PM ---Do we? As far as Nemesis goes, I don't think that would affect the "true love" protection. My point is if it merely took a sex act with someone else to cancel it out, why didn't it happen before Ghost Story?
Also there were some questions regarding Justine in Turn Coat.. I just skimmed across them looking for something else, but after Shaggy takes Thomas it becomes a question of whether or not Justine can still sense Thomas for I think were tracking purposes. As I said it was a quick glance, but what if Shaggy was softening up Thomas for Nemesis? Could Justine been lying about not sensing Thomas so Shaggy would have time to remove as much humanity from Thomas as possible?
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Thomas would still love Justine but I doubt that a Nemesis dominated Justine loves Thomas.
Just like completely controlling Cat Sith in Cold Days overrode his Sidhe compulsions, dominating Justine to betray Thomas and kill Harry breaks something in Justine. Barring a healing on the Mab/Leah scale, I don't think she(or Cat Sith) can come back to themselves and I doubt Justine has the strength to survive the procedure.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Thomas would still love Justine but I doubt that a Nemesis dominated Justine loves Thomas.
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Of course not, but a Nemesis dominated Justine could fake it and the sex act with another is all that she needed to fake it. Once the protection is gone, it stays gone..
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