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Marcone and the thorned one

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groinkick:

--- Quote from: Beldon on October 14, 2021, 01:48:15 PM ---It had long been speculated that Marcone had the coin. Mab even made a point to look at Marcone during the conversation about what weapons could hurt Ethniu. One thought that I have had is what if Marcone only took up the coin for the fight. If he had however been holding the coin in reserve for such a time it would be in character for him. He has the willpower to talk to and use an imprint just as harry did, without taking up the coin. There is no reason he couldn't have gained the necessary knowledge from Namshiel prior to picking up the coin. As a side note, it is also possible for the fallen to take direct action so long as their host "wills" it, meaning Marcone would not have to have the magical skills himself to use them. Just as Butters was using BOB to power artifacts the fallen could be used to fuel Marcone's magic.

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I'm not sure I agree with this.  Marcone was doing really advanced magic.  I'm not sure he could have if he just allowed the Coin in.  I think he had the Coin for a while.

Beldon:
Groinkick,
Why? basically, he would just have to take a backseat to Namshiel. If Namshiel knows how to do something then he is capable of doing it so long as his host wills it so. Thus Marcone need not have the ability or knowledge to do something. Just think it and Namshiel does it. We know from interactions with Lashiel and Anduriel that they can do things through hosts without the host actively being a participant. Granted Marcone is not one to merely take a backseat to anyone.

groinkick:

--- Quote from: Beldon on October 15, 2021, 03:30:58 AM ---Groinkick,
Why? basically, he would just have to take a backseat to Namshiel. If Namshiel knows how to do something then he is capable of doing it so long as his host wills it so. Thus Marcone need not have the ability or knowledge to do something. Just think it and Namshiel does it. We know from interactions with Lashiel and Anduriel that they can do things through hosts without the host actively being a participant. Granted Marcone is not one to merely take a backseat to anyone.

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I just think that he worked really well with Namshiel.  Something I don't know would have happened if it was their first joining. 

Conspiracy Theorist:
Marcone will have taken up the shadow and got it to show him its worth, but probably waited years to take up the coin.

The host can influence the shadow as Harry/Lash proved. Harry was the only previous host not to quickly have the coin fully taken up and the shadow rejoin with the Angel. This rejoining never happened with Harry, due to Lash’s sacrifice, but if Marcone had the Coin for years he was working on the Namshiel all that time with his considerable will. When he finally took it up Namshiel will have had a much changed shadow returned to him, changing him in a way which has not previously occurred, and one not expected

Marcone deliberately and purposefully corrupted a Fallen Angel as an exercise of Free Will. I think he has been successful.

If someone like Michael or Father Forthill took up a shadow and held it for years and then took up the Coin could this lead to a redemption of the Denarian? The ultimate purpose of the Knights of the Sword is to redeem those who who have taken up the coin, like Sanya. What is they can redeem via the shadows the Angel?

The next host for the shadow of Anduriel (Master of Shadows)will be Michael, when he persuades Nicky, sans his tie to drop his coin. That is a reason to for Jim keep Michael alive.his purpose is NOT complete.

Con:
I played an RPG character who was using Namshiels coin. The way I played it was that Namshiel and my character had specific and extensive contracts limiting his power over my characters Free Will.

Kinda like Butters did with Bob.

Marcone knows and loves contracts so I can see him using similar methods.

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