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Anyone catch "It" in Battle Ground?

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groinkick:

--- Quote from: LostInTime on October 12, 2021, 02:11:19 PM ---Blampires aren't people. They are demons who take over the body of a dead person. Wild Bill and Yoshi are dead. They've gone through that single person door to the other side. A Blampire is inhabiting their shell, the ultimate desecration of their memory.

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Something of the person remains.  For example one twin referred to the other as "my sister".  So the soul has gone on, but something of them remains. 

Also we don't know what they are.  White Court, and Red Court are connected to demons but my opinion is that the Black Court are different.  I think they are connected to the Outside.  It may be the case that when they are turned, they are twisted by the Outside into what they are.  Their shade is controlling a corpse (and a shade does have a persons personality), and empowered by Outside.

The_Sibelis:
They're all demons, and probably all connected to the outside. Certainly Thomas's soul gaze would heavily imply that WCVs are.. I think BCVs are just the mirror image born into that person's old body. Nothing's exactly the same but they still have some semblance of who they were.

*Mmm odd thought that makes me wanna reread the scene, but perhaps the explanation for Pell's attacker and beings using mirrors had more layers to what it actually meant? The mirroring effect I theorize about for outsiders  was already explained and I didn't see it 🤦‍♂️🤷‍♂️
I'll have to look at the exact wording but "use mirrors as a gateway" or something to that effect could apply to much more than physical mirrors. Which we have a known case for the existence of...

Mira:

--- Quote ---They're all demons, and probably all connected to the outside. Certainly Thomas's soul gaze would heavily imply that WCVs are.. I think BCVs are just the mirror image born into that person's old body. Nothing's exactly the same but they still have some semblance of who they were.

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I need to go back and read the scene as well, but what I remember is the vision of Thomas, the handsome strong young man and the tug of war between his spirit, the Hunger and the mirror image of a bespectacled stoop shouldered ordinary vanilla human that Thomas would be without the Hunger.. Or at least that is how I remember it, need to go back and read.
 

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Ed0517 on October 11, 2021, 06:28:39 AM ---It may be "it" as in an animal - some of the WCV refer to humans as kine.

Kincaid may have been lying... or... didn't Nic, I think it was, talk about wizards as not human. They protect the humans but they are not really one of them? Also a remark about in a hundred years all his human friends will be dead, and he will just be getting to his prime? Maybe Kincaid sees wizards as mutations and not quite human?

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No, I think Kincaid was protesting against wizards not seeing him as human but seeing themselves as human and so superior to him. They can kill him without breaking the laws and so on. And they have  a soul and are more precious.

This while the border between human and non human is far more diffuse and fussy, grey. It is just where you draw the line.

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Second Aristh on October 12, 2021, 12:36:32 AM ---I don't think it's that the blampires can't use Harry.  More like their boss has forbidden them from overly hurting any starborn.  A starborn is more cosmically significant than your run of the mill wizard, so Harry gets a modicum more respect.  Barely.

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Or he is just a more delicious morsel the boss wants to keep for himself itself.

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