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Re-reading and this jumped out at me
Snark Knight:
It's worth noting that Chauncy described the MacFinn curse as "said to have been laid by a saint", not "was laid by a saint". He can provide incorrect rumor implied as fact, the same way propaganda actors use "a lot of people are saying" to imply there must be some fire behind the smoke.
But cursing an entire bloodline of people to become ravening homicidal monsters with no choice but to kill seems pretty far from saintly. Aside from the trail of destruction, it's also tampering with the MacFinns' free will. A sufficient power could do it, but could they do it and still be on the right side of the Almighty's graces?
Could even be the Fallen were behind that and framed a saint for PR against the Christianization of Ireland, and Chauncy is repeating their lie as a "said to be".
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on September 28, 2021, 02:20:00 PM ---It's worth noting that Chauncy described the MacFinn curse as "said to have been laid by a saint", not "was laid by a saint". He can provide incorrect rumor implied as fact, the same way propaganda actors use "a lot of people are saying" to imply there must be some fire behind the smoke.
But cursing an entire bloodline of people to become ravening homicidal monsters with no choice but to kill seems pretty far from saintly. Aside from the trail of destruction, it's also tampering with the MacFinns' free will. A sufficient power could do it, but could they do it and still be on the right side of the Almighty's graces?
Could even be the Fallen were behind that and framed a saint for PR against the Christianization of Ireland, and Chauncy is repeating their lie as a "said to be".
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Yup, one of the worst kind of lies, because it is so hard to refute rumors, as long as there are ears to hear them, someone will believe them.
LostInTime:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 25, 2021, 03:00:30 PM ---
Thing is, at this point given his history and service to the Almighty, I cannot see anyone who is a "saint" slapping that kind of curse on Michael. And even if one tried, I think the Almighty would veto it. No, in this case the silver came out because as mentioned, stainless steel would be painful if not fatal to their daughter. Also for Sunday dinner with honored guests one breaks out the family best china and silver, which these days is inherited for the most part. Gone are the days when newly married couples get sets of sterling and fancy china as wedding gifts.. Yeah, it happens, but mostly it is inherited, that is how I got mine anyway.
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Nope. Free will trumps celestial power. If a human saint chose to lay that sort of curse, there would be a price to pay. But nobody can stand in the way of free will.
And the curse could be laid by a saint, a demon lord or a fae queen.
Jim said Tera West would be back by or for the BAT. So, expect the inherited silver to come out then, too. Since MacFinn's curse is a bloodline curse. MacFinn could have made puppies with Tera West or left kids behind in Vietnam.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Nope. Free will trumps celestial power. If a human saint chose to lay that sort of curse, there would be a price to pay. But nobody can stand in the way of free will.
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No, but while a saint, again a stretch, but if a saint chose to put a curse on Michael. He or she could do that of his or her own free will. However that doesn't prevent the Almighty from removing it or curing Michael of it. He'd be removing the curse, that in no way interferes with the saint's free will to put it on in the first place.
Morenath:
--- Quote from: Kindler on September 23, 2021, 02:13:49 PM ---The specifics of the Loup Garou curse on MacFinn were (as I recall):
1. Placed by a Saint (which has meaning in the DF according to Jim; apparently it's something like the wizard equivalent for faith-based magic).
2. Affected the firstborn of the MacFinn line.
3. Ensured that the MacFinn lineage would never die out until the End of Days.
Tera West all but stated that she was pregnant,
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The curse was that his lineage would never die out until the end of days.
The curse was broken, so the curse isn't still applicable.
If anything, it's probably a thread that will be brought back again when Harry is dropping the Winter Knight mantle. Jim likes his callbacks and shining different lights on the same situation to bring out different aspects.
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