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Mistakes Harry has made that will come back
The_Sibelis:
Ehhh, the swords aren't made to intercept evil acts though. They facilitate choice. The only time I can think of them ever injuring a normal mortal is SmF, where iirc Michael shoves it through a door with a gunman on the other side(might be confabulating it with him doing the same to a Hob.. 🤔🤷♂️ )
For the swords to have specific sway and purpose there, as the arrival of Sanya would make it appear, then something fishy had to be going on on one end or another. Either Rudolph was innocent and the Lie itself was the abrogation of freedom, or Harry's reaction wasn't entirely on center. Which, even without specific interference the heightened magic in the air could have been driving his emotional reaction. Harry's act may have been evil, using defensive magic to kill might have been a twisting of creation itself. But Harry's human, he's allowed to error. He's allowed to accidentally burn down a building full of vampires and probably kill many of their impaired victims. Michael was right there, nobody stopped that. This situation HAD to have a quantifiable difference.
BrainFireBob:
Essentially I am saying: Harry was not Harry, Harry was the mantle at the same.
You could view that I was arguing that the burn was the Faithsabre sending the mantle into brief remission, restoring Harry's ability to choose- since apparently he's the fulcrum, as the seer said in book 1. The Council may be blind to it, Mab and Vadderung may have guessed- but Uriel would *know*.
Burn=antithesis of ice, after all
Mira:
--- Quote ---Ehhh, the swords aren't made to intercept evil acts though. They facilitate choice.
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Which fits with what I am saying. The burn presented Harry with a choice, the smell of sulfur and brimstone, the consequences of that choice, ice water to the face, "wake up, there are consequences, is this what you really want to do?" Harry came back to himself, the answer was, "no, this isn't what he wanted to do."
--- Quote ---Harry's act may have been evil, using defensive magic to kill might have been a twisting of creation itself. But Harry's human, he's allowed to error.
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Correction, it would have been evil had he carried it out, but the burn brought Harry back and he chose to let Rudolph go. Kind of a play on a Holy Knight giving a Denarian a choice, surrender the coin and seek redemption or continue his or her evil ways. The burn made Harry pause long enough to make a choice.. And yes, I agree Harry is human, humans error, and he had been under tremendous pressure and snapped.. Forgivable, even understandable, but if he had killed Rudolph
that bell cannot be unrung and Harry would have had to live the those consequences.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on October 04, 2021, 07:30:33 PM ---I've said it before and I will no doubt say it again: I believe the shock of Murphy's sudden depth slipped Harry's control over the Winter Knight mantle, demonstrated in text by the parallel with when he gave it its head in Cold Days, and the burn from the Faithsabre was to allow him to reassert his free will/mastery over the mantle. The burn wouldn't stop him from killing Rudolph, but it would shift it to him killing Rudolph, instead of the meat suit being piloted by the id-machine Winter Mantle.
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Anything is possible, but this isn't the first instance of this. In the other two I'm aware of Harry didn't have the mantle. In Blood Rites Eb grabs his burned hand to bring him back. In Grave Peril Michael has to give him CPR after he uses so much magic killing Vampires that his heart stopped. It's no wonder LTW offered to teach him anger management. But if you're going to hold your position then you're going to have to reconcile what they theorized about Butter's sword.
--- Quote ---Michael touched the blade of Fidelacchius again, more reverently. “Angels aren’t allowed to interfere with mortals or their free will,” he said. “If you’re right, Harry . . . this blade of light is a direct expression of the will of an angel. It can’t impinge upon the free will of a mortal. It can only fight evil beings who attempt the same.”
Butcher, Jim. Peace Talks (Dresden Files) (p. 178). Penguin Publishing Group. Kindle Edition.
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Harry was meant to be a weapon, Lea tells you as much in Ghost Story. When that part takes over, Harry has the potential for evil and the sword can hurt him. That text is given to reader to make what happens to Harry understandable.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 19, 2021, 04:36:44 AM ---Harry makes lots of mistakes but I'm looking for what you think are big critical ones that will return some how in future books. Here are some of mine.
1. Handing over the Book of Kemmler to Mavra. She was blackmailing him, but was protecting a friend from her career getting ruined worth handing over a book like that to a monster? I don't think so, and I imagine it's going to come up again.
2. Staking claim to Demon Reach. This was a really big move, and it seems to have worked out well for him. That being said, Jim said "He's going to wish he never stepped foot on that Island". So I imagine it was a bad move.
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Jim is misleading here. Harry might say that a few times and he might be really pleased he did so a few other times. What matters is the total balance and Jim says nothing about that.
--- Quote ---3. Splitting up Bob. Seemed like a good idea, but I think Evil Bob is out there, allied with who knows who. He had access to horrible knowledge. Can't imagine that will end well.
4. Killing the entire Red Court. Some of that may be becoming apparent already with the Fomor. I'm wondering if Harry will realize he had another option, and the one he chose was the wrong one. As a wizard I'm wondering if he could have worked out a spell, and used that source of power for something else, rather than sacrifice Susan and wipe out out the Red's.
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I think that was a really good idea. Even necessary.
--- Quote ---Just some off the top of my head. Can you think of some critical decisions he made that may have appeared right but will return to haunt him later?
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Knowing Jim even the good decisions can have bad side effects that will haunt him later even if all the alternatives were worse.
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