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Mistakes Harry has made that will come back
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 23, 2021, 08:50:13 PM ---You can call it pulling the trigger on her emotionally, or you can say he showed her the truth. When she realized that Martin was pulling the double cross and her little girl was going to die because of it, it pissed her off and she proceeded to rip his throat out as most loving mothers would.
Then Harry explains to her as she is turning why the Red King wanted to kill Maggie, further explained that as the youngest vamp, she could kill all of them with her death. Susan is conflicted some as she is turning, then she looks at her daughter, she tells Harry she doesn't think she can do it.
Then she says to Harry; page 419 Changes
At that point, there was only one way to save little Maggie, they both knew it... Yes, she was telling him to cut her throat, it was the only way.
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"One day I hope God will forgive me for giving birth to the idea that came next. Because I never will. I knew how angry she was. I knew how afraid she was. Her child was about to die only inches beyond her reach, and what I did to her was as good as murder".....
Sounds like he made a deliberate decision here. Hey could have thought of something else, but he chose this.
Mira:
--- Quote ---"One day I hope God will forgive me for giving birth to the idea that came next. Because I never will. I knew how angry she was. I knew how afraid she was. Her child was about to die only inches beyond her reach, and what I did to her was as good as murder".....
Sounds like he made a deliberate decision here. Hey could have thought of something else, but he chose this.
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Or once again it is Harry's conscience beating himself up overly, even though he did all he could at the time to save both her and their daughter. They were losing the fight, Maggie was about to die, so what did Harry do? Told Susan the truth about Martin. He may call that murder, but it wasn't, Susan still had a choice whether or not to tear Martin's throat out, she knew it would complete her change. Heck it may have happened anyway the moment Maggie's throat was cut, and there wouldn't have been anyone or anything to stop her turning.
Susan's final words..
"Help me please, save her please.." Um, at that point killing the Red King wasn't going to happen, in spite of all his efforts, their daughter's throat was about to be cut.... Once that happened, Harry was dead, Maggie was dead, Eb was dead, and Susan would be a vamp.. Another way to save their daughter? I don't think so, Holy Knights, powerful Fae, Odin, the Black Staff and others of the Grey Council fighting to stop it from happening, and they were still losing, Maggie's throat was still about to be cut by the Red King.. Also hate to get technical here, but when Harry did cut Susan's throat, she was no longer Susan, she was the youngest Red Court Vamp. So he didn't murder Susan, he murdered the youngest Red Court Vamp, if she was still Susan the spell reversal wouldn't have worked. So like we see in Christmas Eve., Harry beats himself up with woulda, shoulda, coulda, when in truth he did the best he could and it wasn't enough. Even though it was the only way to save little Maggie, and her mother was no longer a human at the point that he killed her, still hurts and will always hurt, so he beats himself up.. But did he really have another option? No, is the answer.
Monkez:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 23, 2021, 05:45:27 PM ---Harry cut her throat. I don't see any text where he said to Susan. Is this what you want? He didn't say here's my plan. Are you all in? He primed her and aimed her at Martin and pulled the trigger on her emotionally.
This is the point where Harry becomes a monster. He is our monster but none the less a monster. He will do anything to do what it is that he wants to accomplish. Make any deal, use anyone to save his daughter. And a reasonable person might suggest that Harry meant for it to turn out this way given that he says this in Chapter Two.
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Actually, Harry was feeling guilty about it and was starting to believe that he was a monster. In Skin Game, it was Michael who set him straight. That as a Red Court Vampire, Susan HAD given her consent because if she didn't, Harry would not have been able to proceed. Susan would have overpowered him. So no, Harry is not a monster and he does not believe that he's a monster. But he does work with/for them.
Conspiracy Theorist:
In Battle Ground Harry came as close as he ever will to being a monster, that’s why Sanya and Butters were there, not to kill a monster (the Titan) but to stop the birth of a worse monster (Harry).
If Harry had gone Monster it would have doomed his time-line and the best opportunity to stop the Outsiders this cycle without the loss of far too many time lines.
I believe the White God will win each cycle, but is forced to erase doomed timelines where the Outsiders win. This means in some cycles the Multiverse is pruned back radically with untold time-lines erased in others it is relatively light. Harry’s time-line has an Infinity War Type chance of success, but success is dependent upon the exercise of Harry’s free will. The decision not to kill Murphy’s murderer may have saved untold time-lines and Trillions upon Trillions of sentient beings. The next best chance with a much higher degree of success may leave the Multiverse say 40% smaller, the next after that 45% smaller etc.
Harry’s time-line is an outlier, a fluke, a Longshot Universe, where more than 90% of the multiverse can be saved this cycle, meaning a greater probability of early success next cycle and in each successive cycle as the Multiverse generates more diverse time-lines and potential saviours.
If Harry succeeds in this Longshot Universe, the pruning may be relatively light this time, only those Universes created since Grave Peril only will be erased, which of course includes the Mirror Mirror Universe. Harry may come to understand this in Mirror Mirror, his choice not to kill may in retrospect be the best he has ever made.
Mira:
--- Quote ---In Battle Ground Harry came as close as he ever will to being a monster, that’s why Sanya and Butters were there, not to kill a monster (the Titan) but to stop the birth of a worse monster (Harry).
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I don't think killing Rudolph would have made Harry a monster. Now if the attempt had been unprovoked, coldly, and more importantly for pleasure, then he would have become a monster.
Don't get me wrong, killing Rudolph still would have been bad and when he came to himself again, something Harry would feel guilty about for the rest of his life. But in reaction to what he saw as the murder of his friend and lover? Not a monstrous act at all.
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