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Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 28, 2021, 01:54:54 PM --- But in the end it isn't about one on one.. It is about leadership, it is about those who will follow that lead. That's what really scares the Senior Council, yeah, anyone one of them one on one is stronger than Harry and most likely could take him, but it isn't about that. When the flying squid thingies were raising havoc when the battle begun, there were Senior Council members present, for all their personal power and knowledge they couldn't do squat in an effective manner to stop them. Enter Harry, a word to his loyal Za'Gard, and they took them.. Same against Mavra and Drakul, yeah, one on one, they were screwed, three Wardens, killed or dispatched to another dimension.. But while it was bad, they didn't win, not because one of the wizards or the sash-quash was badder than the rest, but because of Harry's loyal little army, following orders to go and get the garlic..
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By that logic, Harry is more powerful than Mab, Titania, the Erlking, and Odin combined because he was the only one that could take down Ethniu after they tried. He'd be the most powerful wizard in the world by leaps and bounds. That's not what this thread is about. It's about where Harry ranks among wizards in a fair fight.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 28, 2021, 05:43:21 PM ---By that logic, Harry is more powerful than Mab, Titania, the Erlking, and Odin combined because he was the only one that could take down Ethniu after they tried. He'd be the most powerful wizard in the world by leaps and bounds. That's not what this thread is about. It's about where Harry ranks among wizards in a fair fight.
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He may be before it is over, especially if he is going to be among the leaders in the BAT.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 28, 2021, 10:29:38 AM ---But that is part of it, isn't it? Winning is a team effort, Harry has that kind of loyalty, Mavra never will.
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No, it isn't. The discussion was how Harry specifically, plus LtW, River Shoulders, and the wardens did vs Drakul and the Black Court Vampires. The result was a loss. "surviving is a win" was LtW referring to how he and River Shoulders did vs Drakul. The vampires suffered no casualties while team Dresden lost people (who are now probably vampires).
Also as I stated previously, Harry lost. He was dead to rights and got rescued. Being rescued by someone isn't a victory for you. If I was being held hostage and police saved me, it wouldn't be my victory.
So Harry and the Wardens got beat by the BCV's.
Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 28, 2021, 07:42:40 PM ---No, it isn't. The discussion was how Harry specifically, plus LtW, River Shoulders, and the wardens did vs Drakul and the Black Court Vampires. The result was a loss. "surviving is a win" was LtW referring to how he and River Shoulders did vs Drakul. The vampires suffered no casualties while team Dresden lost people (who are now probably vampires).
Also as I stated previously, Harry lost. He was dead to rights and got rescued. Being rescued by someone isn't a victory for you. If I was being held hostage and police saved me, it wouldn't be my victory.
So Harry and the Wardens got beat by the BCV's.
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Yeah, they took losses, but they weren't all wiped out. I think a "win" as far as Mavra and Drakul are concerned is a dead and turned Harry.. They didn't get that.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 28, 2021, 07:42:40 PM ---No, it isn't. The discussion was how Harry specifically, plus LtW, River Shoulders, and the wardens did vs Drakul and the Black Court Vampires. The result was a loss. "surviving is a win" was LtW referring to how he and River Shoulders did vs Drakul. The vampires suffered no casualties while team Dresden lost people (who are now probably vampires).
Also as I stated previously, Harry lost. He was dead to rights and got rescued. Being rescued by someone isn't a victory for you. If I was being held hostage and police saved me, it wouldn't be my victory.
So Harry and the Wardens got beat by the BCV's.
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The wardens did manage to take down a couple blampires from the large group of them before Harry pays attention to them again. At least, they don't get mentioned again. Your main point stands, though.
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