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Mira:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 18, 2021, 06:50:21 AM ---There might also be vampire types that don't have Courts. I could see feral-type creatures not having the numbers, organization, or mindset for such things.
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Or "vampire like" in behavior but not really vampires in the classic sense.
groinkick:
My opinion on Vampires.
Their power is directly connected to how they feed, and how close they are to humans/mortality. I believe that they feed on Spirit, which isn't the same as a persons soul. I believe when it comes to humans they are made up of three parts. Flesh, spirit, and soul. The Flesh is the anchor to reality, and the spirit is the tether to the soul which is completely outside reality. When the spirit is damaged, or weakened enough, the tether is lost, and the Soul travels on. If the Flesh/Body is rendered dead, the Soul has no anchor to Earth, and the spirit/tether is left behind as a shade/ghost.
I believe the Vampires use the body as a vector to the spirit to feed on.
Black Court: Most powerful. Feed on flesh/death. They kill a mortal whenever they feed, consuming all of the spirit. Completely inhuman
Red Court: Second to the Black Court. Feed on blood. Usually not lethal but very damaging to the spirit. Connected to humans, slightly
White Court: Weaker than Black & Red Courts. Feed on emotions through pleasure/fear/pain ect. Not too invasive when feeding most of the time. Much closer to humanity. I will note that I believe Lord Raith, at peak power may have been approaching a level that would push him closer to the Red Court. His kiss of death allowed him to devour an entire spirit, which I think is why he was so feared amongst his kind.
Jade Court: Feeds on breath. Not much is known about them. My opinion is they are similar to the White Court in power and connection to humanity. Slightly less human, or slightly more human.
I think the other Courts are all weaker. The Black Court, and Red Courts really are the strongest in that their way of feeding is most damaging to both the body, and spirit, and also the most efficient. Any other court that exists, I think, would be no stronger than the White Court, and their power level is determined by organization, reproduction, and collective cooperation.
I think that between the Black Court's personal power, and the Red & White Courts global footprint, there isn't much room for the weaker Courts. The White's and Red's sucked up all the power, and influence, and it's unlikely they would share it. So I think any other Court really doesn't have enough personal power, or ability to gain influence to matter much outside of maybe a small territory (like the Jade Court).
The Red Court is gone, but I think that power vacuum is being filled too quickly for the weaker courts to take advantage of it.
Other Courts feeding ideas:
Blue Court: Feeds on sleep. If they feed too heavily, the person dies in their sleep, and is seen as a natural death. Some people become aware they are being fed on, and experience sleep paralysis, and the feeling someone is on top of them. Science has explained this, but maybe not correctly :). Not terribly effective in combat because they require you to be asleep to be effective. If you are asleep, and they find you, you're in deep trouble. A side effect of their feeding is you wake up feeling exhausted, and making you more vulnerable to their feeding the next time you sleep.
Gray Court: Feeds on illness. They like to hover around hospitals, and nursing homes. They need the person to be weakened by illness, and then use that illness as a vector to the spirit. They prey on the weak, and suffering, making them hated by all mortals who know of them. They need to stay low because Wizards take great joy in eliminating them, and they aren't terribly powerful, weaker than the White Court, and not very effective against healthy people.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 14, 2021, 08:22:26 PM ---[1]If you go back and change something then your create a new future, a branch, [2]but you have to remain in the branch you started from because there is another you in that new branch.
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[1]Time travel in the Dresden Files might not work that way. Choice makes new universes. Time travel that changes something might destroy that universe or rewrite it. It could create a new branch. It might create temporary deviations that eventually fold back in due to the conservation of history.
[2]Why do you have to go back to your branch? What if you kill the other you or are willing/capable to live in the same universe?
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 14, 2021, 10:47:28 PM ---Follow the logic if you can find any in time travel. They felt the echos of the attack. But the attack never happened. How could they feel the echo of an event that never took place? This is where the multiverse comes in. The attack did happen somewhere.
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It depends on whether the echos are of an attack (i.e., what we saw the Lady's doing) or of a successful attack (i.e., Demonreach exploding). The text isn't entirely clear which one it's referring to.
--- Quote from: morriswalters on September 14, 2021, 11:58:15 PM ---Yep, we agree. In any case Jim will do something different then either of us suspect. That's why he gets paid the big bucks.
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I don't know (if that's why he gets paid the big bucks). A lot of the people who get paid big bucks write some painfully predictable stuff.
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on September 17, 2021, 07:07:05 PM ---Dollars to donuts that the White Council is tempted to behead Chandler if he comes back from an alternate reality for breaking Laws.
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Which one?
The_Sibelis:
My view of the vampire courts has always been colored by the specificity of 7 courts with three really fleshed out ones. I don't think 7 was a redundant number. I've tried to tie it to both the 7 deadly sins and 7 laws, which Might be loosely tied together as well.
BC- wrath they kill to feed. Reaching beyond the outer gates, they aren't what they were, and have apparent ties to necromancy and outsiders (depending on how you take lash's final conversation).
The heart, the source of passion (i.e. wrath) also happens to be their weakness..
Reds- gluttony, they devolve into their hunger, relying on the host's willpower.. weakness is stomach, gluttony? Transmogrification of others.
White's- lust, their demon can't control itself, relying on the host's willpower.. they could fall under invading minds or enthrallment. They've shown capable of both. Weakness to love.
Jade seems connected to pride, offhand. And most likely to me fall under necromancy, due to the origins of the actual jumping"zombie" myth it's loosely based on.
The big three, I wonder if aren't connected to the love/faith/hope and fear/despair/wrath triumvirates. Mostly because it would explain why they were more fleshed out in the story, they have more purpose.
An yea... I do silently look at the jade court under those circumstances and wonder about that sometimes wagged about 4th sword connection..
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on September 19, 2021, 03:52:55 AM ---Which one?
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The time travel one.
Let's face it. Chandler showing up back in his original reality saying he accidentally ended up in a parallel universe and was stuck there for a year until he hitched a ride back with Harry... That's not going to go over well.
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