The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Demonreach, Ley lines, and Harry's connection
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on September 12, 2021, 04:45:34 AM ---In the battle of the aquarium, Ivy showed she can make a little go a long way. Cut off from a good flow, she still kicked butt. And Harry has said he was one of the 20 or 30 strongest, but he does not rate himself near that in battle. Luccio had said she didn't have Harry's power even in her old body (I think they were discussing powering a circle) and Ramirez says outright Harry is stronger than he is, and some say he might be able to take Harry. Hmmm.. how good is a Warden sword against a Soulfire construct?
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It's actually a pretty cool way of balancing characters, and realistic I think. Raw horsepower is only one aspect of using magic. Mental focus, intent, imagination, belief, will, knowledge, experience, emotion, magical preference ect.
Carlos taking on Dresden has more to do with the type of magic he uses (a water mage is a natural counter to a fire mage), and it's difficult to use because it's delicate (so Harry isn't naturally gifted with it). Eb on the other hand is the most dangerous wizard in the world when it comes to magical duels as Jim has said that Eb can use all forms of magic, and counter any magic you try to use against him.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: groinkick on September 13, 2021, 05:30:35 AM ---It's actually a pretty cool way of balancing characters, and realistic I think. Raw horsepower is only one aspect of using magic. Mental focus, intent, imagination, belief, will, knowledge, experience, emotion, magical preference ect.
Carlos taking on Dresden has more to do with the type of magic he uses (a water mage is a natural counter to a fire mage), and it's difficult to use because it's delicate (so Harry isn't naturally gifted with it). Eb on the other hand is the most dangerous wizard in the world when it comes to magical duels as Jim has said that Eb can use all forms of magic, and counter any magic you try to use against him.
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Yeah. The biggest difference between Harry and a senior council wizard at this point is the relative level of control. They're probably as powerful as he is (typically anyway; Eb is an outlier), but the power they can throw around is used much more efficiently. Ramirez is getting trained alongside other wizards while Harry has been going it mostly alone. It makes sense that Ramirez is developing that efficient touch faster than Harry.
(as an aside, I don't think Dresden magic typically works pokemon style where water beats fire)
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 13, 2021, 12:17:36 PM ---Yeah. The biggest difference between Harry and a senior council wizard at this point is the relative level of control. They're probably as powerful as he is (typically anyway; Eb is an outlier), but the power they can throw around is used much more efficiently. Ramirez is getting trained alongside other wizards while Harry has been going it mostly alone. It makes sense that Ramirez is developing that efficient touch faster than Harry.
(as an aside, I don't think Dresden magic typically works pokemon style where water beats fire)
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I think we are all over rating "power" level or strength when it comes to someone going up against Harry. Almost always Harry makes the claim that he is fighting above his weight class, or this wizard or that wizard or some other being is way better or stronger that he is at some skill or other. Yet, most of the time, Harry comes out on top. Why is that? Harry also talks about how strong his will is, and that is key.. Out of stubbornness for lack of a better word to accept defeat in most cases, Harry fights until the end.. If there is a way around something, he will find a way... So Carlos is good at water magic, better than Harry, but still we didn't see him use it in Battle Ground when Mavra and company was taking out his friends. Yes, Harry got lucky with the conjuritis, but he took advantage of it as well. All I am saying Harry knows Carlos is better at water magic than he is, if Carlos comes for him, he will have figured out a way to neutralize it in time to stop Carlos. Just like Eb, he knew he'd lose to Eb one on one, so he preplanned with a doppelganger of himself, thus he got away and did what he needed to do.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Mira on September 13, 2021, 02:47:25 PM ---I think we are all over rating "power" level or strength when it comes to someone going up against Harry. Almost always Harry makes the claim that he is fighting above his weight class, or this wizard or that wizard or some other being is way better or stronger that he is at some skill or other. Yet, most of the time, Harry comes out on top. Why is that? Harry also talks about how strong his will is, and that is key.. Out of stubbornness for lack of a better word to accept defeat in most cases, Harry fights until the end.. If there is a way around something, he will find a way... So Carlos is good at water magic, better than Harry, but still we didn't see him use it in Battle Ground when Mavra and company was taking out his friends. Yes, Harry got lucky with the conjuritis, but he took advantage of it as well. All I am saying Harry knows Carlos is better at water magic than he is, if Carlos comes for him, he will have figured out a way to neutralize it in time to stop Carlos. Just like Eb, he knew he'd lose to Eb one on one, so he preplanned with a doppelganger of himself, thus he got away and did what he needed to do.
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I mean, sure, if it isn't a fair fight, Harry can beat lots of people. Most fights in this series are not fair fights.
Plus, while Ramirez has been practicing his magic to be more efficient (and growing his skill in magic faster than Harry), Harry has been networking and getting a big physical boost from being Winter Knight. Harry hasn't been just sitting around, but his skill set is more than just burn it with magic until dead now. He's not fully specialized in one aspect of combat, so it makes sense that he doesn't keep up with Ramirez in his specialty.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on September 13, 2021, 03:09:38 PM ---I mean, sure, if it isn't a fair fight, Harry can beat lots of people. Most fights in this series are not fair fights.
Plus, while Ramirez has been practicing his magic to be more efficient (and growing his skill in magic faster than Harry), Harry has been networking and getting a big physical boost from being Winter Knight. Harry hasn't been just sitting around, but his skill set is more than just burn it with magic until dead now. He's not fully specialized in one aspect of combat, so it makes sense that he doesn't keep up with Ramirez in his specialty.
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That isn't completely true. Remember back in Proven Guilty when Harry took on Molly as an apprentice? Eb told him that doing that would improve his many skills, which it has. One we know for sure is the use of veils, before Molly he rarely used them, and when he did, and when he did, he said they were next to useless. Now he can throw a decent one and also uses them a lot more. It isn't just a physcial boost from being Winter Knight, he has also learned a hell of a lot on how to control it and himself. He has also learned when and when not to use the ice magic that goes with it.. Also I'd think that ice might neutralize a lot of water magic. You are also leaving out Soul Fire, Harry has also learned a lot as to how effectively to use it to enhance his spells. And no, it has been several books now, since Harry has used the "burn it until it's dead" type approach.. I also think he has learned quite a bit from hanging out with Alfred. Specialty or not, if Carlos wants to take on Harry he will have his hands more than full. One last question for you, how many fair fights have there been in the whole of the series? I think only in and even then it is questionable, sanctioned duels will you find that the fights are even remotely fair... And as we saw, one side or the other will cheat some.. No, maybe in sporting matches there will be fair fights, but in combat/war? It is life and or death, both sides will try to gain their best advantage and worry about fairness later.
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