The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
Mira:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on August 31, 2021, 06:48:49 AM ---His arm quivered for a second, and then he lowered his eyelids until they were almost closed. A moment later he very, very slowly relaxed his arm, allowing me to breathe again. My throat burned, but air came in, and I wheezed for a second or two while he stepped back from me.
I glared up at him and debated slamming him through one of those Corinthian columns by way of objecting to being manhandled. But I decided that I didn’t want to piss him off.
Nicodemus’s lips moved, but an entirely different voice issued from them—something musical, lyrical, and androgynous. “At least it has some survival instinct.”
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Or to an fallen angel, humans are merely "its" not worth calling a "he" or a "she." Calling Harry an "it" in this case says he is beneath contempt.
morriswalters:
The attack itself does only one thing. It keeps Mab from attacking the Reds. From an old WOJ.
--- Quote from: WOJ ---Ask yourself why Mab had Molly brought in. What chain of events did that set in motion? What secondary effects came about because of it?
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To answer the question why did Mab have Molly brought to Arctis Tor you need only look at the text. It brings all the remaining players to the church were Harry can make the connections he needs to make. The act coalesces his thought process to produce enough of the truth to realize that Molly is the one doing Black Magic. This solves Rashid's mystery.
The secondary effect is to show Harry why Mab did not attack. This is the answer to Eb's question. Somebody with enough power to throw hellfire at the heart of Winter has attacked the Fortress. With the butterfly Harry is able to cast fire and kill the Scarecrow but the attacker killed hundreds of Mab's elite guard.
@Second Aristh
I gave it to you that way because it would be a fairly long dissertation if I hadn't. For instance here is the chain for the attacks by the fetches. While there still are mysteries in Proven Guilty the primary questions posed by Jim are answered in the text. By the end of the arc in Cold Days the rest have been mostly revealed. You know for instance that Rashid works for Mab and that he has the eye. Making Mab the source of the warning. The events around LC are more complex. Why did Jim break it for instance? And why did Lash blow hot and cold. Was the accident an illusion fostered by Lash? If it was sabotage, why? Who was Sandra Marling? Why was the first trial held in Chicago?
(click to show/hide)This starts with an event at the WWII Cantina in Summer Knight with Harry explaining to Billy.
--- Quote from: Summer Knight ---"Sloppy," I said. "She was laying a binding on Slate. Her power was sloshing over into changing the temperature. A child could do better."
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Referring to this.
--- Quote from: Summer Knight ---Sudden blue light gathered around her fingers, and the temperature in the room dropped by about forty degrees. She spoke again, and flicked her wrist, sending glowing motes of azure flickering toward Slate.
The snowflake brand flared into sudden light, and Slate's advance halted, his body going rigid. The skin around the brand turned blue, then purple, then black, spreading like a stop-motion enhanced film of gangrene. A quiet snarl slipped from Slate's lips, and I could see his body trembling with the effort to continue toward Maeve. He shuddered and took another step forward.
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Now connect the dots to the second attack of Proven Guilty. On his way to the screening room Harry is opposed by a ward and Myrk, used to the same effect in Small Favor.
--- Quote from: Proven Guilty ---He gave me an odd look, grabbed an older woman who was passing blindly, and sent her off to follow the wall to the door out. He shivered then, and when he exhaled his breath came out in a long, frosty plume. The temperature had dropped maybe forty degrees in the space of a minute.
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And the third attack. Here the lights and alarms are sabotaged in advance of the attack.
--- Quote from: Proven Guilty ---As I did, the air temperature plummeted, sending the hotel’s climate from near-sauna to near-freezing in a handful of seconds.
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Now the order of the attacks. Mab sends the fetches to attack Pell. To distract Harry Maeve launches the second attack in the screening room using the same Myrk used in Small Favor and the same binding as she used against Slate. The four fetches are summoned by Maeve in the third attack. Hammer Hands, The Reaper and Scarecrow go to the Carpenters and take Molly while the Scarecrow then goes to the Fool Moon Garage and kills the Jann. Probably at Maeve's direction. The attack against Pell is a pointer to Harry meant to draw Harry's attention. Mab or Maeve, take your pick, had the theater locked up.
The_Sibelis:
Considering the time dilation and the fact that battle happened years before Harry arrives, the timeline doesn't match up strictly speaking with the attack in, DB iirc? With time shenanigans all things are possible here. The council retreated for about a day and a half. Also, Mabs not able to apply a rebalance of the scales, which is what the council specifically expects. The attack on Arctis Tor doesn't explain that at all. A future event of moving against them for violating their territory. That's the thing that the council doesn't get, why they didn't do anything back, not why they didn't immediately react.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 31, 2021, 01:03:11 PM ---The attack itself does only one thing. It keeps Mab from attacking the Reds. From an old WOJ.To answer the question why did Mab have Molly brought to Arctis Tor you need only look at the text. It brings all the remaining players to the church were Harry can make the connections he needs to make. The act coalesces his thought process to produce enough of the truth to realize that Molly is the one doing Black Magic. This solves Rashid's mystery.
The secondary effect is to show Harry why Mab did not attack. This is the answer to Eb's question. Somebody with enough power to throw hellfire at the heart of Winter has attacked the Fortress. With the butterfly Harry is able to cast fire and kill the Scarecrow but the attacker killed hundreds of Mab's elite guard.
@Second Aristh
I gave it to you that way because it would be a fairly long dissertation if I hadn't. For instance here is the chain for the attacks by the fetches. While there still are mysteries in Proven Guilty the primary questions posed by Jim are answered in the text. By the end of the arc in Cold Days the rest have been mostly revealed. You know for instance that Rashid works for Mab and that he has the eye. Making Mab the source of the warning. The events around LC are more complex. Why did Jim break it for instance? And why did Lash blow hot and cold. Was the accident an illusion fostered by Lash? If it was sabotage, why? Who was Sandra Marling? Why was the first trial held in Chicago?
(click to show/hide)This starts with an event at the WWII Cantina in Summer Knight with Harry explaining to Billy.Referring to this.Now connect the dots to the second attack of Proven Guilty. On his way to the screening room Harry is opposed by a ward and Myrk, used to the same effect in Small Favor.And the third attack. Here the lights and alarms are sabotaged in advance of the attack. Now the order of the attacks. Mab sends the fetches to attack Pell. To distract Harry Maeve launches the second attack in the screening room using the same Myrk used in Small Favor and the same binding as she used against Slate. The four fetches are summoned by Maeve in the third attack. Hammer Hands, The Reaper and Scarecrow go to the Carpenters and take Molly while the Scarecrow then goes to the Fool Moon Garage and kills the Jann. Probably at Maeve's direction. The attack against Pell is a pointer to Harry meant to draw Harry's attention. Mab or Maeve, take your pick, had the theater locked up.
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I don't buy that the Arctis Tor attack alone was what kept Mab from retaliating against the Reds. Mab won that battle, whatever it was, and she could have called in her reinforcements from the border in moments.
As far as Mab sending a fetch against Pell initially, faerie queens can't just go and order an underling to kill an unaffiliated mortal. That has to fall to a knight.
Idk, there's lots of little things like that that don't add up in PG. I think that the time travel book will definitely spend some time in the background helping to give answers that we're missing. Future!Harry giving Rashid the message to send to him (probably involving Mab and helping initiate her end of the plot and letting her know that Harry would someday be her knight where she can make definitive statements without lying), him causing the car wreck in the beginning for whatever reason, LC issues being resolved. That kind of stuff.
morriswalters:
Harry asks this question of Fix.
--- Quote ---“Theoretically speaking,” I said, “what kinds of things might prevent Winter and Summer from reacting to an incursion by another nation?”
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To which Fix gives him an answer. This seemed rather blunt for Jim to me but evidently not.
--- Quote ---As far as Mab sending a fetch against Pell initially, faerie queens can't just go and order an underling to kill an unaffiliated mortal. That has to fall to a knight.
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Who dies in the bathroom?
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