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Could Dresden have been wrong about Thorned?
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 28, 2021, 04:08:20 AM ---I'm uncertain what you seem to be angry about. I've spent a couple of hours writing those posts and I have other things that I have to do. But I will of course respect your wishes.
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I'm not 🤔 but when people interrupt theory craft to tell us the limit of what we know I definitely whing. I'm seriously tempted to put together a thread pointing out Harry doesn't have the right grasp on things and, for instance, looking for the black Council leads to an absolute dead end based on faulty perspective given to us. The books not meant to give you answers, Jim has admitted as much. He intentionally leaves a blank space an expects you to fill in th gap to figure out what's going on and make the leap yourself. Though I admit freely, when it seems people are tripping those trying to get a head start on the leap, smothering creativity in theory craft, I doth frown greatly. By all means bring up the clues and counter dictions, if something directly contradicts an idea, I'd love to know about it so I can evolve and adapt there, but not the book conclusions. We've all read them, If those were so perfect, we'd not have anything to discuss.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on August 27, 2021, 01:54:56 PM ---Is there really another kind of time travel story?
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Yep. Back to the future 1 & 3. About Time is another movie without that. Besides Back to the Future 2 I can't recall a time travel story where someone is going back in time to prevent a villain from doing something bad. I guess on Star Trek Voyager, Star Trek TNG, and DS9 they had that kind of time travel story but they weren't as thought out as what Jim has been setting up (if the theory is true)
groinkick:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on August 27, 2021, 03:30:36 PM --- very similar to my idea, except I'd still think it's hellfire. Have you.. looked at the MCU multiversal set up? The branches and the different limbs and all that. That's exactly how I'd been trying to describe how I think harry getting home from MM would be, he has to jump through the different smaller timeline to get to bigger branches that get him closer to his core reality, except he has to make sure events match at each point enough to be similar to his next jump. Which would bring us back to the reality we know, and explain why it's so fractured and details misaligned. Because he gets to a very similar timeline, but in the closed loop aspect of it, it's not quite the same. I theorize alot of the sudden changes or "errors", past events no longer referenced, ect.(direct, on screen changes, like the car in DB outside of Bocks, are actively happening which is why the splice is there)Are the results of Harry changing what happened to suite him. Saving Thomas from shagnasty perhaps..?
(click to show/hide)a long time ago Jim was asked about shagnasty and his response was something to do with how powerful a being who would consider a Nag a foot soldier should give some indicator of who summoned sent him or some such... We now know Harry is fully capable of releasing them, and what more, iirc Harry's was the only empty spot in the room of six, shoulda been a full magical number seven though no? One was missing. I think when time looped back around and Harry saw the damage he did to Thomas he forbade him from doing such the next time he experienced the event of going back and, as Warden, releasing Shagnasty. just an idea. But I try to see what point any TT would have, what's the causality of it. Arctis Tor would seem to have got Mabs attention on molly perhaps, and certainly left the bastion clear when Harry came calling. The why of it is less clear, I'm wondering if he didn't assault the fortress not as an enemy outright but an unwelcome ally. Causing a direct confrontation with Mab before leaving in truce, or in chase of Nemesis escaping? Prevent Mabs infection, but indirectly cause Maeves?
I remember people here talking about the way things just seem to warp off center in the double books, Carlos' fist bump somehow marking Dresden and such, I theorize, much like the Doppler effect of the time travel attack on DR, the closer you get to the event horizon the bigger the waves. Thinking of other similarities in stories like a sound of thunder.
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Oh wow that would be really epic. I hadn't thought about that. I thought he'd just defeat evil Dresden and get back. That would be pretty interesting if the Time Travel book was his way of getting back to his reality from the Mirror Mirror universe.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 28, 2021, 06:50:07 AM ---Yep. Back to the future 1 & 3. About Time is another movie without that. Besides Back to the Future 2 I can't recall a time travel story where someone is going back in time to prevent a villain from doing something bad. I guess on Star Trek Voyager, Star Trek TNG, and DS9 they had that kind of time travel story but they weren't as thought out as what Jim has been setting up (if the theory is true)
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Time Cop is one and I could name a dozen or so books without straining, The Door Into Summer by by Heinlein and The Chronicles of St Mary's being two. But Jim will bring his own blend of prose and humor to the table.
@The_Sibelis
There is nothing on any level that I could possibly do to affect whatever enjoyment you find here. Nor would I wish to. I have no brief, no special knowledge, just the construction that my imagination creates from the prose. Now you have requested I leave you alone and I have said I will.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Time Cop is one and I could name a dozen or so books without straining, The Door Into Summer by by Heinlein and The Chronicles of St Mary's being two. But Jim will bring his own blend of prose and humor to the table.
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It's been done so much it is tired, which is my point.. There is enough multidimensional interplay, the Outsiders, the Old Ones, the Outer Gates, the Nevernever, Hades, Heaven, Valhalla, wizards. that all along the way in real time beings from these dimensions could be messing with Little Chicago, calling up Cornerhounds, etc., for their own reasons, no need for Harry or anyone else to travel though time for any of it. The trick is for him to figure out the big mystery.. Not as easy perhaps as time travel, but perhaps more interesting.
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