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So are the Svartalves going to be at war with the White Court?
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 20, 2021, 02:08:31 AM ---Idk, the svartalves don't seem the type to place spies. They're very by-the-book.
Regardless, there were 4.5 people present near Demonreach at the end of PT. Harry, Lara, Justine, Murphy, and technically Thomas. Which one of them is gonna talk about what happened there? Not Harry, not Lara, and definitely not Murphy. It would all depend on Freydis, and if anyone she'd tell Vadderung. I don't think he'd tell either. The events on the island will stay secret.
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Justine is Nemfected. Whoever is behind that may leak stuff if they want. And Lara and Vadderung have organizations. Heck, Madeline was family and gave Lara up. That was a hole. I'll trust Harry and Murphy. Harry doesn't have much of an organization (one of the reasons he's on the outs with Carlos) and Murphy's wanted to pretend such things did not happen. Lara directly is likely safe.
As far as the svaltalves spying? because they are more good guys? Old Russian saying - trust, but verify. Heck, don't you think MAC is a spy/observer? For all we know, Uriel could be running him. Uriel is a good guy. The good guys too run spies, if only to try to find out where the OTHER side's spies and moles are.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 20, 2021, 02:14:07 AM ---I don't SEE a reason Winter, which is relatively unconcerned with this plane, would care so much... but I could see PLENTY of reasons other factions might like to see factions at war. The likes of the Swartalves could be weapons merchants. Sell to both sides. Other factions might benefit from another's demise - fill in the gap left when the Red court was obliterated. The Fomor got in good. A real life hypothetical - the US collapses. States war on states. Wisconsin gives Ohio, currently at war with Michigan, great information and weapons. Ohio wins, takes three quarters of Michigan, but lets WI take the UP in return for aid received.
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Mab cares, Mab is Winter, as Lady, Molly cares... Winter is part of the Accords, it is Mab's big thing, the Accords are at war with the Fomor.. The better analogy is like during WWII the U.S. decided to fight a little war on the side with it's ally Canada while trying to fight Nazi Germany.. If the U.S. did that the Allies would have had a much less of a chance to defeat Nazi Germany and the rest of the Axis Powers. The members of the Accords have to remain united if they are to defeat the Fomor.
morriswalters:
As a general premise, there are no true secrets. So if the Svaltalves need to know they would have assets of the kind that would let them find out eventually.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Ed0517 on August 20, 2021, 02:01:19 AM ---the spies do not have to be Svaltalves. Did Harry have a spy in the White Court? Sure he did - Justine. The White Court didn't find her.
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I find it really difficult to believe Lara wouldn't have predicted Thomas' lover would share information with him, and given that Thomas was closer to Harry than to the Raiths for a good part of the time since BR, anything that concerned him would probably have reached him. Lara isn't dumb, and that wasn't anywhere near as subtle a spy placement as Harry seemed to think.
Lara saw Justine as useful because she couldn't be whammied by anyone else in the court and would generally support Lara because Lara was looking out for her beloved Thomas, but I really doubt she was ignorant of Justine's allegiances. I think anything Justine saw was filtered through 1) does Lara mind if Harry sees it? 2) can Lara benefit from Justine unwittingly passing misinformation to Harry on this topic?
The latter may have been an unintended blessing, because while Harry actually didn't ask Justine for much out of concern for her safety, Lara was probably showing her enough disinformation as a precaution that Nemesis would have got a fair bit of fake mixed in with the real material.
Ed0517:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 20, 2021, 04:42:01 AM ---Mab cares, Mab is Winter, as Lady, Molly cares... Winter is part of the Accords, it is Mab's big thing, the Accords are at war with the Fomor.. The better analogy is like during WWII the U.S. decided to fight a little war on the side with it's ally Canada while trying to fight Nazi Germany.. If the U.S. did that the Allies would have had a much less of a chance to defeat Nazi Germany and the rest of the Axis Powers. The members of the Accords have to remain united if they are to defeat the Fomor.
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Molly cares but she is subservient to Mab. Mab doesn't care so much about the world but she cares if someone else may take it and can use it to upset the balance of power. If you want a WWII analogy, Britain probably didn't care so much about Indonesia for Indonesia, but when the Japanese secured their OIL FIELDS.... NOW it is a concern. The Fomor seize the surface, they have more leverage. They get human weapons? Even Ethneiu at times seemed to not want to be there when the Army arrived.
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