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Odin's Raven's
Yuillegan:
I actually think they did appear in a small cameo all the way back as far as Summer Knight. If you read the passage where Harry first meets the Mothers and sees their cottage, there is a raven outside. Considering the references to Norse mythology and runes in that book - I'd say it was them. Or at least one of them.
We never do seem them as birds otherwise, which is odd. Maybe there are other cameos I have missed. Mostly they take the form of his scary receptionist-bodyguards.
For that matter, where are Odin's wolves Geri and Frekki? The names mean "greedy" and "ravenous". I would like to see them as well...but I doubt it.
I suspect they might be Spirits of Intellect given bodies. Somewhere between being extensions of Odin and being his children.
Second Aristh:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 03, 2021, 12:43:49 PM ---I suspect they might be Spirits of Intellect given bodies. Somewhere between being extensions of Odin and being his children.
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I had this thought as well several years back. I view them sort of like external hard drives for Odin. Metaphysically speaking, he sheared them off himself so he's technically weaker, subsequently giving him more freedom to use his power. At the same time, he's still got them, so is he actually weaker at all? That's my theory at least. Odin intentionally handicaps himself to keep his options for acting open.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Second Aristh on August 03, 2021, 05:21:48 PM ---I had this thought as well several years back. I view them sort of like external hard drives for Odin. Metaphysically speaking, he sheared them off himself so he's technically weaker, subsequently giving him more freedom to use his power. At the same time, he's still got them, so is he actually weaker at all? That's my theory at least. Odin intentionally handicaps himself to keep his options for acting open.
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If you buy into Serack GUMCT, all the big beings really do is split themselves into smaller off shoots. So it would fit the pattern.
I think the Queens really help with that argument. In many ways they are the same being, but split into three (or perhaps six...). Are they weaker for being many rather than one?
Actually, what am I saying. Not six. It might be infinite. If there is a Mab (and Titania, and Molly and Sarissa etc) in almost every universe, yet the Mother's are the same being in every universe (like Uriel), that suggests there is an infinite number of beings. Which actually makes even more sense. They can act at multiple levels of reality so are more flexible.
In fact, considering what Gard said about Vadderung just being a facet that mortals can deal with, that suggests Vadderung isn't Odin exactly but just another offshoot. In the same way Christ was both the Son of God, and God on Earth. Does that make sense?
Is there are Vadderung in every universe or just one I think would help answer that question.
Griffyn612:
My guess is that only those outside of time itself are singularities like that. I think the only good guy we've seen like that is Uriel. But maybe not even him.
I do like to think that the Walkers are singularities, and the Queens are not. It would help make sense of Harry's thought in Cold Days, where Mab was a photo, and Before was the statue itself. He senses that Mab is one thing representation of the power that transcends dimensions, whereas Before is all of that power in one being that is aware of all his other existences.
And to clarify, I mean that there could be seven branch realities, and there's a Uriel and a Before in each, and they're all aware of each of their versions, and know what they know.
Yuillegan:
Apparently the Mothers and major gods like Zeus are at the same level as Uriel.
https://youtu.be/kGgyJNMA4q8?t=728
12:10 is the spot.
I think we haven't yet seen the full scale of the Walkers, based on everything we've been told about them. Apparently He Who Walks Behind is also in the same league as Uriel yet also seems vastly lesser. He apparently has all sorts of weird limits about when and where he can use his power, but still. My guess it the Walkers might not even be separate beings, or potentially are merely avatars of larger beings.
One Uriel, one Zeus, One Walker, One Mother etc across the multiverse. But that doesn't mean they don't have a bunch of little avatars and off-shoots all over the place. In many ways, the Faerie model might explain it best.
Mother Winter is the source, but she has lesser facets (the Mab in each universe), and an even smaller facet (the Lady in each universe) and then all the millions of Winter Fae in all the universes.
Could well be only seven branch realities, although Jim keeps referring to it like radio channels, so it feels like there is infinite numbers (or very close). Choices happening all over the place creates a lot of possible places. Times that by all of mortal history, by the entire population ever...it gets pretty ludicrous. And that's just one universe. If each universe keeps spawning more universes the problem is simply beyond comprehension. I personally would prefer only a few realities as that would make choice seem more important. But I am not sure it's so easy.
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