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Odin's Raven's
Yuillegan:
Love the science talk guys, let's be careful not to venture too close to the Touchy Topics areas. Discussion of the in-universe/story beginning of the Dresdenverse Creation is perfectly fine - but discussion on the beginning of our own is fraught with peril. Lots of people come here with many varied beliefs, so let's just keep it to the Dresden side of things when it comes to hypothesises and statements.
I agree Griffyn, that multiverse is a frustrating writing tool without strict rules (same for time travel really). That being said it can also lead to really interesting moments so it's hard to balance - which is too your point about writers often not being able to resist the allure of alternate stories and alternate characters etc.
Jim will do what he will. He likes the idea of an infinite multiverse. But I'd say that while every universe "matters" and so every choice in them (by mortals) "matters", not all universes matter as much as others, and it's hard to judge how many universes even exist without an external view. If you look at the Chronicles of Amber version (largely Jim's inspiration for his multiverse), it's not even clear that when characters step into Shadow universes whether that particular Shadow existed before the stepped into it. There's arguments both ways for whether any given Shadow existed before a visitor from Amber (or Chaos etc) stepped into it. Which isn't far from the argument in physics in some respects. Without empirical evidence it's intensely difficult to make a certain judgement. Which might be because of the very flaw in the argument i.e. something has to exist or not exist - yet apparently could be both. I mean, Hawking at one point came to the conclusion there didn't even have to be a "beginning" of everything, bizarre as that sounds. I suspect the Dresden Files multiverse plays by different rules to our universe though, so it might be foolish to use arguments from our own universe to make strong statements on anything.
I wouldn't even be surprised if the Dresden multiverse is so different in some respects that it is able to make more definite conclusions that we in our own universe seem to be able to. Maybe the physical laws are very close but have some slight yet important differences. That could change a whole lot.
At the end of the day though, Jim writes these books to be fun so it's probably best not to read too deeply into anything in them. But then, this forum wouldn't be needed so I might just be arguing against my own existence.
My apologies to all for derailing a thread about Odin's ravens and making it about the multiverse. Do we think Odin's ravens are part of him, or just spirits bound to him or constructs he made?
Basil:
I actually did like Jordan's multiverse where if the Dark One won anywhere, he won everywhere. That preserved the stakes -- even escalated them -- rather than drain them. If Jim did something like that, I'd probably enjoy it. If the Outsiders break into reality in any reality, then all versions reality is screwed.
Yuillegan:
I used to think that was the case until Jim said Uriel had destroyed Universes before. Which to me suggests that the end result of the Outsiders breaking in isn't them destroying everything, it's an Archangel cleaning the slate.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 07, 2021, 11:39:58 AM ---I used to think that was the case until Jim said Uriel had destroyed Universes before. Which to me suggests that the end result of the Outsiders breaking in isn't them destroying everything, it's an Archangel cleaning the slate.
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Same thing, really. If one falls, they all fall, so they're destroyed rather than allowed to reach that point.
The relevance of the Dresdenverse would have to be that it's one of the last.
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 07, 2021, 02:11:03 PM ---Same thing, really. If one falls, they all fall, so they're destroyed rather than allowed to reach that point.
The relevance of the Dresdenverse would have to be that it's one of the last.
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I could see Jim using Crisis on Infinite Earths as inspiration for the BAT, it is one of the OGs. Besides, anywhere there's time travel there's a multiverse and to quote an abridged perfect bug man "Multiverse Theory's a *****!"
Back on topic, I'm in the Hugin and Munin are pieces of Vadderung he splits off camp. They can act as eyes and ears remotely and they can mentally swap experiences after scouting or combat to help optimize strategies.
Given that we didn't see them engage with Ethniu or the Fomor I'm beginning to think they pulled the trigger on Gungnir frying the eye. Thoughts?
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