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Mac's identity
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Mira on August 24, 2021, 09:52:28 PM ---Uriel loaned his Grace temporarily to Michael a Holy Knight to complete a mission, that isn't the same as giving his Grace away.
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I'd say that keeping nightmares, and dark gods locked up is a pretty important mission.
Yuillegan:
Also, not to be a downer but in Cold Days the magic is specifically described as mortal.
Not sure if it rules out the Grace theory definitively though.
--- Quote ---“So arrogant,” Lily said. “You reek of arrogance and deception, like all wizards. Even the famous Merlin, who built this abomination.” Her eyes narrowed. “But as complex as it is, it is still made of mortal magic. This circle that we used to stop your interference—it’s a part of the architecture here. All we had to do was feed power into it to close this place against your allies while we tore it down from inside.”
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Mira:
--- Quote from: groinkick on August 25, 2021, 07:18:00 AM ---I believe this to be misunderstood information (I don't understand it to be honest, it's paradoxical). The Angels must have free will as we know it. They were able to revolt (and fall). Uriel was able to choose to lend his Grace to Michael knowing that there was a chance Michael would misuse it. All of the Fallen who do bad things were Angels.
I guess there could have been a change of some kind after the revolt and the angels are much more absolute (to the point of no free will) and unable to fall as long as they don't lend their grace out.
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In that sense, yes, I guess you could say that angels have always had free will. However they have rules, if they break them they fall, most, not all, but most angels chose not to pay that kind of price.
I think Uriel was acting under orders when he loaned his Grace out. Maybe not to do that exact thing but to do whatever to insure the success of the mission. I also think Uriel as the angelic wet works man has more wiggle room than most, but still for him it was a huge risk.. Though Michael might be the only mortal man living on the planet that he'd take such a risk with.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on August 25, 2021, 07:51:59 AM ---Also, not to be a downer but in Cold Days the magic is specifically described as mortal.
Not sure if it rules out the Grace theory definitively though.
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The magic was performed by Merlin. The spells are like Harry's. But the fuel could be the Grace.
Just like Harry casting the spell at Mac's in CD. Or was his magic, and his spell, but it was juiced by the Winter Knight mantle. Same for his spells at the end of GP, where he used the power he consumed from the Nightmare to summon the ghosts.
I mean, when you think about a mortal creating a prison to hold gods, devils, and everything in between, he's kind of *got* to have some extra juice from somewhere to get it done. We're talking about spells in at least four dimensions, per Bob possibly more.
All I'm saying is he borrowed the Grace to get the place built, and then he put it in Alfred, who is the vessel of the ongoing Grace. He's effectively the Demon Binder.
And Mac made his decision and is out.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on August 28, 2021, 02:51:37 AM ---The magic was performed by Merlin. The spells are like Harry's. But the fuel could be the Grace.
Just like Harry casting the spell at Mac's in CD. Or was his magic, and his spell, but it was juiced by the Winter Knight mantle. Same for his spells at the end of GP, where he used the power he consumed from the Nightmare to summon the ghosts.
I mean, when you think about a mortal creating a prison to hold gods, devils, and everything in between, he's kind of *got* to have some extra juice from somewhere to get it done. We're talking about spells in at least four dimensions, per Bob possibly more.
All I'm saying is he borrowed the Grace to get the place built, and then he put it in Alfred, who is the vessel of the ongoing Grace. He's effectively the Demon Binder.
And Mac made his decision and is out.
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Yeah I agree that there is some sort of power source that's required. It could be all mortal magic doing the binding, but it's tied into a power generator to keep everything up and running.
There is the Ley line though that Rashid warned Harry about. That could be the power source. On the other hand I suspect that the ley line is actually something else. I think it's the prisoners power being siphoned off, and sent to somewhere else. Any power they try to exert is just redirected, leaving them powerless.
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