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Murphy Family Reunion
Mira:
--- Quote from: Arjan on July 18, 2021, 01:03:28 PM ---Unless Uriel and Vadderung made a deal. Then she should just have faith.
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But that is the point, in Ghost Story Uriel talks to Harry about it;
--- Quote ---"When you say what comes next, what do you mean exactly?"
"The part involving words like forever, eternity, and judgement."
"Oh," I said. "What comes next."
"Exactly."
"So I can stay Between," I said quietly. "Or I can go get on that train."
"If you do," Uriel said, his eyes intent and serious, "then you accept
what you have done will be taken into account. Your fate, ultimately, will
be determined by your actions in life."
"You're saying that if I don't work for you, I'll just have to accept what comes?"
"I am saying that you cannot escape the consequences of your choices,"he said.
I frowned at him for a minute. Then I said, "If I get on the train, it might carry me to Hell."
"I can't talk to you about that,"he said. "What comes next is about faith, Harry. Not knowledge."
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Or she didn't accept the consequences of her choices in life and Odin presented her with an alternative to hanging out in the Between like her father or accepting judgement at this point.
That would be very "Murphylike" when you think of it, she always preferred her own ideas.. Though I don't know whether or not her time in Valhalla or later as one of Odin's warriors will count for her when judgement comes or against her.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 18, 2021, 02:11:56 PM ---But that is the point, in Ghost Story Uriel talks to Harry about it;
Or she didn't accept the consequences of her choices in life and Odin presented her with an alternative to hanging out in the Between like her father or accepting judgement at this point.
That would be very "Murphylike" when you think of it, she always preferred her own ideas.. Though I don't know whether or not her time in Valhalla or later as one of Odin's warriors will count for her when judgement comes or against her.
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Jim specifically said these deals were made and Vadderung hangs out with Uriel. A deal is quite possible.
What comes next is deliberately kept vague but it seems that Hades and Valhalla are valid though maybe somewhat out of fashion versions of it.
It seems that Karen made a choice. Harry gave her that choice and she chose the warrior path. Most choices are not that clear as the doors Harry was offered and even that clarity was deceptive.
It is a fine aft route for her. She wanted to be involved and now she is.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Jim specifically said these deals were made and Vadderung hangs out with Uriel. A deal is quite possible.
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I doubt that it is though in the case of souls and the judgement of souls.
Uriel;
--- Quote ---"I am saying that you cannot escape the consequences of your choices,"he said.
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There are consequences for her life's choices, one of her big choices in life was to go and work for Vadderung.. Her second big choice and maybe a bigger one, by her silence when she got a possible job offer whether you think it was to be a Valkyrie or an einherjar,it implied acceptance, she sealed her fate. So when she died, her body and soul were gathered up and taken to Valhalla as a consequence of her choices in life, not any deal between Uriel and Odin.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 18, 2021, 05:28:27 PM ---I doubt that it is though in the case of souls and the judgement of souls.
Uriel;
There are consequences for her life's choices, one of her big choices in life was to go and work for Vadderung.. Her second big choice and maybe a bigger one, by her silence when she got a possible job offer whether you think it was to be a Valkyrie or an einherjar,it implied acceptance, she sealed her fate. So when she died, her body and soul were gathered up and taken to Valhalla as a consequence of her choices in life, not any deal between Uriel and Odin.
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As usual Uriel’s quotes are quite meaningless if you want direct practical application. Of course your choices have consequences. What consequences is a different thing though.
It is highly likely that the quoted woj has something to do with Murphy’s situation because of context and she was in many respects still a catholic christian. But yes Vadderung had some arguments too so I think there was a discussion.
Mira:
--- Quote ---It is highly likely that the quoted woj has something to do with Murphy’s situation because of context and she was in many respects still a catholic christian. But yes Vadderung had some arguments too so I think there was a discussion.
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There may have been, but in the matters of what happens to the soul, that is out of Uriel's hands.
As he said to Harry;
--- Quote ---When you say what comes next, what do you mean exactly?"
"The part involving words like forever, eternity, and judgement."
--- End quote ---
In other words what happens next is up to Uriel's Boss.. Uriel also said something else to
Harry that it was about faith, not knowledge.
I think shocking as it may sound that Murphy rejected her religion when she thought Harry was dead. Contrast her attitude about being a Knight and the Holy Swords and what the Knights stand for verses Michael, or even Sanya who claims to be an atheist. Nic tested her faith, and he won, a Holy Sword was broken, it was the Sword of Faith.. Let's not forget that Murphy proclaimed that she was a better suited to judge Nic than the Almighty, someone of faith wouldn't think that.. What comes next is the consequences of choices made in life, Murphy chose to reject her faith in higher power and to rely on her own judgement instead.. She chose to become a pure warrior, though her death was stupid, her final act was that of a warrior.. So the consequences was to be sent to Valhalla to still be a warrior.
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