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Did Rashid kick Harry out of the White Council with an ulterior motive?
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: Mira on July 13, 2021, 02:08:22 AM ---I doubt he voted at all, because unless the danger at the Gates was completely passed I doubt he'd leave them. Also it would be uncharacteristic I think for him to go ahead and vote with two of the members indisposed, especially two Harry allies.
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While that's possible, I don't think that is what happened.
The White Council voted in emergency session after the events of the Battle, while McCoy and LtW were in surgery. This suggests they had all returned to Edinburgh (those that survived).
We can safely assume the Merlin and Ancient Mai were there. If Christos survived the battle he was there and he wasn't listed as being in surgery. I would also assume Martha Liberty was there because most of the others who were at Chicago had returned. So I think it's reasonable to assume the Gatekeeper had returned as well.
If we don't assume those others had returned we know how protocol goes. The Merlin holds all their votes by-proxy and the only other person would have been Ancient Mai...who is hardly likely to have voted to keep Harry in (especially based on her previous voting habits on the exact same issues).
--- Quote from: groinkick on July 13, 2021, 03:40:28 AM ---I believe he was at the Outer Gates.
I think the big question is who ratted out Dresden using lethal magic against the Turtle Necks? It happened very quickly, and an immediate vote was held. Eb was still in surgery which makes me believe Harry being voted out happened pretty darn fast.
My opinion is Carlos has been fed information about Dresden. Information he didn't want to believe but came to believe when he observed Harry. Someone put it in his head that he cannot trust Dresden. Nemesis? Perhaps but I suspect it's a wizard on the Council who has befriended Carlos to act as a spy. Cowl perhaps? Kumori? Langtry? The person doesn't have to be a villain but could be. Lucio as head of the Wardens would be the perfect person for Nemesis to target, and she could have manipulated Carlos.
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Well even if it wasn't Carlos, there are others who could have been aware of it. Martha Liberty was monitoring events and running communications from the BFS headquarters. Rashid could also have viewed it remotely, perhaps even in the past considering his abilities. Hell, even Mai and Langtry could have seen it remotely via scrying or something similar. Remote viewing isn't that uncommon amongst wizards. So there are several wizards who weren't there who could have noticed Harry's magic.
Mira:
Unless all the danger had passed at the Gates, and I don't remember it being said that it was, just because things had quieted down in Chicago. For that reason alone, I see Rashid skipping the meeting, he skips a lot.. Also of all the Senior Council members, including Langtry, Rashid knows what Harry is thinking and what kind of a job he is expected to do. If he did vote against Harry, it wouldn't be for the reasons Carlos gave, in fact as in Summer Knight, instead of voting Harry out, Rashid would have just killed him.
morriswalters:
It was fairly obvious since the duology was published that Harry was toast with the Council. And the fight with the turtlenecks wasn't a secret. Marcone was best positioned to put Harry between a rock and a hard place for that. Headquarters was at his house.
Carlos got his got his feelings hurt by Molly and Harry rode him about it at least twice. So he was waiting for a little payback. So a whisper from Johnny, and Harry's support from Scotland is gone. Or Marcone simply dialed in to Wizard Central and did the deed himself.
Mira:
--- Quote from: morriswalters on July 14, 2021, 08:09:28 PM ---It was fairly obvious since the duology was published that Harry was toast with the Council. And the fight with the turtlenecks wasn't a secret. Marcone was best positioned to put Harry between a rock and a hard place for that. Headquarters was at his house.
Carlos got his got his feelings hurt by Molly and Harry rode him about it at least twice. So he was waiting for a little payback. So a whisper from Johnny, and Harry's support from Scotland is gone. Or Marcone simply dialed in to Wizard Central and did the deed himself.
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Did Harry ride Carlos after he got crippled trying to bang her? Before maybe, but that is just a guy thing.
CrusherJen:
If I'm remembering correctly, Harry doesn't know what happened between Molly and Carlos at all. I think he made a couple of innocent references to her in front of Carlos (don't have the books handy to confirm), but of course, Carlos took them in a different way than Harry intended... it didn't help them get along any better.
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