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Could any Senior Council member handle Harry if
groinkick:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on June 28, 2021, 07:16:37 AM ---One of her opening offers was to make him the single best human water mage on the planet, don't confuse Harry turning down her offers for her having nothing to offer.
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Maybe she could have, or maybe she was lying to Harry. He admits picking up the Coin because of the power, she may have been playing to that.
--- Quote ---You mean the host pulling out displays of power and precision that Harry said would be impressive even by senior council standards? That host?
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Jim said that Hannah wasn't a wizard because all she could use was fire, but she was very good at it. Lasiel improved on what she was good at, but Hannah didn't display much else. Marcone on the other hand had absolutely no magical talent and Thorned turned him into someone who could use advanced magic that Harry hasn't displayed (teleportation, molecular manipulation)
--- Quote ---Yes Thorned and Harry would be a nightmare combo (he's also Jim's second pick for a coin to stick Harry with after Lasciel).
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I'm not saying Lasciel wouldn't have made Harry more dangerous, I'm just looking at what she did to Hannah's abilities vs what Thorned did for Marcone's. Lasciel improved Hannah's power while Thorned apparently gave Marcone abilities he never even had, and at a very high level. Lasciel may have brought other weapons to the table for Harry, but from what I can tell, pure wizard power would come from Thorned.
Arjan:
But maybe Marcone just negotiated better than Hannah. Also Namshiel is the magic specialist.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 28, 2021, 03:31:21 PM ---I doubt that Hannah had that kind of outside help to begin with, also I have the feeling that she willingly took up the coin as a power play. Yes, Harry picked up the coin willingly, but in order to save little Harry [yeah, I know he could have done it differently,] not to gain power.
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More likely she took up the coin to have a home again after Harry took out her old one.
--- Quote from: groinkick on June 28, 2021, 07:03:36 PM ---Maybe she could have, or maybe she was lying to Harry. He admits picking up the Coin because of the power, she may have been playing to that.
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She's be a poor temptress if her first lure blatantly had a hook sticking out of it, Harry lays out that she's trying to get him dependent which means getting him hooked on the no strings attached bits first.
--- Quote ---Jim said that Hannah wasn't a wizard because all she could use was fire, but she was very good at it. Lasiel improved on what she was good at, but Hannah didn't display much else. Marcone on the other hand had absolutely no magical talent and Thorned turned him into someone who could use advanced magic that Harry hasn't displayed (teleportation, molecular manipulation)
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I should note that Lasciel only had a few weeks to work and get Hannah into Harry-fighting shape (and into the mindset to fry a potentially innocent man, though Harry's abysmal charisma carried the day on that front) while Namshiel had years to make Marcone into an all-rounder.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Jim said that Hannah wasn't a wizard because all she could use was fire, but she was very good at it. Lasiel improved on what she was good at, but Hannah didn't display much else. Marcone on the other hand had absolutely no magical talent and Thorned turned him into someone who could use advanced magic that Harry hasn't displayed (teleportation, molecular manipulation)
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But Marcone has absolutely no understanding about magic, so he is very clumsy at it as Harry pointed out. I think it may turn out for Marcone like being a Holy Knight was for Murphy, in the end she hated being an angel's sock puppet, even when his agenda matched hers as it did at C.I. I can see the same thing happen to Marcone, and at some point I can see him rejecting the coin.. Who knows Jim may go back to one of his earlier ideas, Marcone, Holy Knight.. Now wouldn't that be a shock.
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 29, 2021, 03:23:02 AM ---But Marcone has absolutely no understanding about magic, so he is very clumsy at it as Harry pointed out. I think it may turn out for Marcone like being a Holy Knight was for Murphy, in the end she hated being an angel's sock puppet, even when his agenda matched hers as it did at C.I. I can see the same thing happen to Marcone, and at some point I can see him rejecting the coin.. Who knows Jim may go back to one of his earlier ideas, Marcone, Holy Knight.. Now wouldn't that be a shock.
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Marcone won’t reject the coin. From a story perspective it is needed to keep Marcone in the story on an equal level with Harry. Jim removed his old friend to isolate him more and make him more vulnerable to the influence of the coin. Marcone will become more and more isolated depending on Namshiel.
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