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Mira:

--- Quote ---I think you've missed the point of the question Mira. It's not whether Harry would take up Namshiel's Coin. It's IF Harry took up Namshiel's Coin, could any of the Senior Council (current members) deal with him? The preposition assumes Harry has already taken up the Coin in this hypothetical scenario.

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Oh I think he could handle them with Namshiel's help, heck he could have handled them with Lasciel's help.  However there is a price to be paid for that, and Harry isn't willing to pay it.

--- Quote ---I don't know about no evidence. Maybe not strong evidence but there are plenty of hints that Marcone is more than merely vanilla. Often it's couched in terms of "He produced a knife so quickly as if by magic" type of thing. Not to mention his ability to get very high-level magical connections like Monoc Security, and he believed from the first time we met him that Harry was a genuine wizard. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a low-to-mid level practitioner and kept his magic well hidden. He'd hardly be the only one, and certainly not the first. It would help to explain his meteoric rise in the criminal underworld and his connections to magical beings, not to mention how he progressed to such advanced magic so quickly. It's even discussed early on with the Denarians how they can make even a low level talent into something dangerous given time. I suspect Marcone might not have even been that low.

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That doesn't mean he has magical talent, it merely means it is to both their advantages to work together.  Yes, power corrupts, and Denarians corrupt their hosts, that is a given, it isn't that Marcone won't be more dangerous now, he is... However Marcone likes to run the show and manipulate, now he will have to dance to Namshiel's tune, don't think he will always be happy doing that.

--- Quote ---Don't forget that all mortals actually have the capacity to do magic. It's just harder for some than others. Harry is a major talent. But most of people would be very, very minor. Marcone probably is a low-to-mid level talent. Maybe even latent talent. It's not as simple as no Coin, no magic. Simply because according to the Knights of the Cross there is no way to give up the Coin and be truly free of it without giving up your magic as well. Not to mention not that many give up the Coins in the first place. Most die and are replaced.
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That was Michael's theory when he was trying to help Harry.  It isn't a rule, Harry never accepted the coin, resisted and eventually changed and rejected the Shadow in his head. That had never happened before, it had more to do with him being a star born than a magical talent I think.  There is some mild magical talent, and then there is talent.. There is a difference, Butters with instruction from Harry could do a magical circle to protect himself in Dead Beat, that is one thing.. Real talent manifests itself early, it is real power that usually corrupts into warlockhood unless guided.  So Marcone may have magical talent on the level of Butters, but with a coin he'd never progress beyond it.

--- Quote --- think you're probably onto something here. Yes, he needed a boost to keep up with Harry. But isolation from Hendricks really creates problems for someone like Marcone who has next to no one he can rely on. Namshiel is in a very good position. This might be a partnership of centuries (as many of the Knights are) assuming the world doesn't end before that.

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But Marcone was in charge of Hendricks, it was no partnership.. Namshiel is different, and he will use Marcone more than you think, not the other way around.

twelve:
Back to the comments regarding how Thorned provided more power to Marcone than Lashiel did to Ascher. It was my understanding that Lashiel was only bonded with Ascher for only a couple of weeks tops. Wasn't Thorned with Marcone for at least a year, closer to 2+ if I remember my timeline correctly before we saw the results of that partnership? I don't think we can have a proper comparison between which of the two fallen would have powered Dresden up more based on the two examples we have.

Mira:

--- Quote from: twelve on July 06, 2021, 04:02:53 PM ---Back to the comments regarding how Thorned provided more power to Marcone than Lashiel did to Ascher. It was my understanding that Lashiel was only bonded with Ascher for only a couple of weeks tops. Wasn't Thorned with Marcone for at least a year, closer to 2+ if I remember my timeline correctly before we saw the results of that partnership? I don't think we can have a proper comparison between which of the two fallen would have powered Dresden up more based on the two examples we have.

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Also "magic" seems to be the specialty of Namshiel, it is also hinted that Thorny, his host was a wizard to begin with.  Lasciel had other talents, namely seduction, she didn't make Harry's magic any stronger per say, save perhaps hell fire, she helped him to understand and speak languages, and she had knowledge about just about everything, which Harry tapped, at the same time that seduced him and fed his anger,which in turn fed the hell fire and his power.

wardenferry419:

--- Quote from: Arjan on June 29, 2021, 06:23:39 AM ---Marcone won’t reject the coin. From a story perspective it is needed to keep Marcone in the story on an equal level with Harry. Jim removed his old friend to isolate him more and make him more vulnerable to the influence of the coin. Marcone will become more and more isolated depending on Namshiel.

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Good point. Without Hendricks keeping an eye on Marcone like Harry's friends did; how long before Thorny gets his hooks deeper in Marcone?

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