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What does this mean?
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 23, 2021, 10:25:58 AM ---What you quote is from Blood Rites, from an angry injured young wizard who has discovered the murderer of his mother.. That is a nasty quote, he felt that, but it was impotent, he didn't kill a mouse with an elephant gun, his efforts had no effect on Lord Raith..
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Interesting hypothetical ... What if Harry was intuiting something correct there? He's stated a couple times that vampire sorcerors and necromancers draw on a different and darker power source than regular wizard life/emotion magic. I wonder if the protection Raith is benefiting from extends to attacks based on dark energy?
Could Margaret's insight in cursing him successfully just have been something like Kumori's philosophy that the cold dark greasy energy source doesn't inherently have to be used for evil ends?
vultur:
It easily could, especially as Lord Raith's protection is described in similar terms - if the Outsiders gave him a shield, they might have left a "backdoor" for their own power.
But I'm not sure the dark energy would even have needed to get around the protection directly, just give Harry the power he'd need to do it indirectly.
Harry saw with the keys that Lord Raith isn't immune to magically-caused physical harm, so being telekinetically bashed enough would eventually run him out of healing energy and kill him.
morriswalters:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 23, 2021, 10:25:58 AM ---However, the reversal of that curse did kill off another bloodline, a race of vampires that were dispersed world wide.. So Harry could have heard their cries as they died. You leave out the fact that the originator of the spell was the Red King, that power level was his, magnified by the gods of C.I., not Harry. However it did trigger a horrible vision.. What you quote is from Blood Rites, from an angry injured young wizard who has discovered the murderer of his mother.. That is a nasty quote, he felt that, but it was impotent, he didn't kill a mouse with an elephant gun, his efforts had no effect on Lord Raith..
I think being a star born puts one on a razor's edge, like an archangel or a god, awesome power, that can create as well as destroy. Harry has felt and wielded the power of both hell fire and soul fire, he rejected one, he is still exploring what the other is and it's uses.
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Killing a mouse with an elephant gun was about the Red King killing three people with his curse. If you're saying that's what he did then okay. Harry killed thousands.
Harry did nothing in Blood Rites because Eb squeezed his burnt hand and hurt him to break him out of his rage. Precisely the same thing that Butters does to Harry when Murphy dies. Once is coincidence, twice is Jim talking at us. Here's the Oppenheimer quote.
--- Quote ---Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds.
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Mira:
--- Quote ---Killing a mouse with an elephant gun was about the Red King killing three people with his curse. If you're saying that's what he did then okay. Harry killed thousands.
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Did anyone say it was okay? I don't remember saying it was okay.. The Red King was going to kill three humans, maybe four, Thomas is also a descendant of Eb, starting off with killing a then six or eight year old child, I don't remember Maggie's exact age... His spell, he originated it, he powered it. Harry killed the youngest vampire, who was Susan before she turned, she wasn't human when he killed her, that blew back the Red King's own curse on him and his descendants, no humans... Those of the half turned died because they had been alive beyond the life span of a human.. Once the vamp half died, they died of old age, the younger half turned were suddenly cured, they were human once more... So I guess you could say when he wiped out a species, Harry also saved hundreds if not thousands of half turned who were doomed at some point to lose control and go all vamp.. I am not here to say that it was okay or not okay, it is a bit more complicated than that statement makes it out as.
--- Quote ---arry did nothing in Blood Rites because Eb squeezed his burnt hand and hurt him to break him out of his rage.
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He didn't want Harry to do more harm to himself in his injured condition... But honestly, Harry's reaction in his weakened state was perfectly normal.. It was a very human reaction, he was deprived of ever knowing his mother because this asshole murdered her... He has suffered all of his life because of it, yet no justice for Lord Raith as far as he knew at that moment.. And Eb if you remember also told him not even he, the Blackstaff could bring Raith to justice.. Yeah, I'd call that a very normal reaction on Harry's part.. Emotional, yes, out of control, yes, but normal, that is why we need others to bring us back to our senses like Eb did..
And yes, Butters also did it when Murphy died, and yes, it was a totally normal reaction from Harry. What's more, the Sword knew it as well, it gave him a good burn to bring him back, it worked. If Harry was truly evil, it would have cut his arm off.
morriswalters:
When I say okay it means I am okay with your determination of what Jim wrote. What I wrote is me tossing random ideas in the air and seeing if they have legs. It's fairly obvious, here and now, that they don't. I'm okay with that.
Jim however does, this a lot. So he wants to set something up for some future plot device he writes it in early and calls back to it. He does it in Proven Guilty with Maeve and the Cantina scene in Summer Knight for instance. He's called out this irrational anger twice now and keeps throwing in references to a destroyer. And there are those missing two minutes.
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