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Starborn WAG
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on June 22, 2021, 06:18:43 PM ---Starborn are born at the right confluence in time. There's nothing that says a starborn must have talent. If there are 40,000-60,000 starborn at the start of this cycle, that's something like a 4-6 hour window where they could have been born.
If starborn need at least some level of talent- well, we don't have the numbers to calculate that, but it does stretch the window a bit.
Bonus, it should make them easier to find. October 31st birthdays what, 1975? Narrows the pool considerably.
If I were to guess, I'd go with starborn having an ability to redefine reality- and either eject or permanently accept Outsiders thereby. Outsiders are outside reality, which is why magic doesn't do much to them. A starborn forming intent at an Outsider infiltration implicitly makes it part of reality, and therefore vulnerable to reality, insofar as it redefines them from "a projection from outside" to "that which I am punching and thereby is now subject to being punched." I'd also guess it cycled around to Lucifer, the Morning "Star", on some level- the first to rebel and change reality. Maybe starborn are echoes of what he did. It would tie the Denarians in in a sideways manner.
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This is my hill to die on but I firmly believe that the Starborn phenomenon is directly related to Lucifer losing his grace and that the "star" in question is his grace the Morning Star which was the light that drove out the Outsiders originally. Since the War in Heaven various forces realized a weapon against the Outside was needed they keep moving planets so that the Morning Star light gets redshifted to hit at the same interval. Every 666 years. In my head-canon the light is that of rebellion and free thought, which the outsiders can't tolerate so the Starborn become immune.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Starborn are born at the right confluence in time. There's nothing that says a starborn must have talent. If there are 40,000-60,000 starborn at the start of this cycle, that's something like a 4-6 hour window where they could have been born.
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Yes, but for all of that, most grow up to be ordinary citizens... Being born under the right alignment of stars only lends potential to the child born under it. A candle is just wax with a wick until someone lights it. Harry was just a kid with talent that Justin had adopted and was training until that day he skipped class to be home with Elaine and Justin attempted to enthrall him, which led to his confrontation with HWWB, and the world has never been the same since for him.
Griffyn612:
--- Quote from: BrainFireBob on June 22, 2021, 06:18:43 PM ---Starborn are born at the right confluence in time. There's nothing that says a starborn must have talent. If there are 40,000-60,000 starborn at the start of this cycle, that's something like a 4-6 hour window where they could have been born.
If starborn need at least some level of talent- well, we don't have the numbers to calculate that, but it does stretch the window a bit.
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Eb says "for a few hours" every 666 years. The internet says there's 385,000 babies born per day, or 32,000 per hour.
If the average is 50,000 potential starborn born each time, then it stands to reason that Eb is correct that it's a couple hours, maybe up to three, every 666 years. The 40-60k variance could be due to lower birthing rates at night. (~25% less at night)
That would also go with Listen, who Harry describes in Ghost Story as not seeming to have talent, being a starborn.
The only thing that goes against it is an old statement from JB that Harry and Elaine didn't have the same birthday. So either he changed his mind, or the window was across midnight, or she wasn't actually a potential.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 25, 2021, 02:48:26 PM ---Eb says "for a few hours" every 666 years. The internet says there's 385,000 babies born per day, or 32,000 per hour.
If the average is 50,000 potential starborn born each time, then it stands to reason that Eb is correct that it's a couple hours, maybe up to three, every 666 years. The 40-60k variance could be due to lower birthing rates at night. (~25% less at night)
That would also go with Listen, who Harry describes in Ghost Story as not seeming to have talent, being a starborn.
The only thing that goes against it is an old statement from JB that Harry and Elaine didn't have the same birthday. So either he changed his mind, or the window was across midnight, or she wasn't actually a potential.
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Agreed, I also think if there are so many of them, what is so special about them? However here is another way to look at it, many babies are born every day with genius level I.Q.s, but very few for fill that promise or potential, and even fewer still are really remembered... As in there are many mathematicians and physicists with genius level intelligence, but very few of genius,as in Einstein,Newton, or Hawking.. Maybe it works the same way for star born?
BrainFireBob:
--- Quote from: Griffyn612 on June 25, 2021, 02:48:26 PM ---Eb says "for a few hours" every 666 years. The internet says there's 385,000 babies born per day, or 32,000 per hour.
If the average is 50,000 potential starborn born each time, then it stands to reason that Eb is correct that it's a couple hours, maybe up to three, every 666 years. The 40-60k variance could be due to lower birthing rates at night. (~25% less at night)
That would also go with Listen, who Harry describes in Ghost Story as not seeming to have talent, being a starborn.
The only thing that goes against it is an old statement from JB that Harry and Elaine didn't have the same birthday. So either he changed his mind, or the window was across midnight, or she wasn't actually a potential.
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Number I dug up was 250 babies/hour. And this would have been in 1975, with a lower population- 4 billion vs. 7.8. So the rate was lower then.
I go around on what Elaine really is. Could a starborn have been put on ice since the last cycle? Tinfoil hats want to know!
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