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Marcone could probably beat Harry in a duel.

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Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Mira on July 04, 2021, 05:20:21 PM ---Now that he is kicked out of the Council, Harry has no restraints on what knowledge he can acquire now..  The only limitation is getting it, and I bet Bob has a lot of it, Alfred might as well, and practice.

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Bob was a secret all along, and the only time Harry asked him for dark / forbidden knowledge, he got so spooked that he ordered Bob to spin off Evil Bob so it would never happen again.

What has changed is he very well might be able to ask Lara for access to the Raith library. That might well have some dirty tricks he could use against a Denarian.

Plus, besides asking Sanya and Michael, Forthill might have something on Namshiel personally.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Snark Knight on July 05, 2021, 06:13:19 PM ---Bob was a secret all along, and the only time Harry asked him for dark / forbidden knowledge, he got so spooked that he ordered Bob to spin off Evil Bob so it would never happen again.

What has changed is he very well might be able to ask Lara for access to the Raith library. That might well have some dirty tricks he could use against a Denarian.

Plus, besides asking Sanya and Michael, Forthill might have something on Namshiel personally.

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Yes, Bob was a secret, but that is because the Council wanted to squish him.  The forbidden knowledge Harry asked for was knowledge Bob gained while in the service of Kemmler.  I don't think Harry ordered Bob to spin off Evil Bob as he ordered him to forget or block and further dark knowledge gain while in the employ of Kemmler.  This was a mistake because Harry didn't understand exactly what Bob was or how damaging and difficult this would be for him.  However having said that Bob hasn't blocked any other knowledge and wouldn't opposed to telling Harry what he knew on a variety of subjects. 

Dirty tricks?  What do you mean by that?  If you mean black magic, not good for Harry.  Also I'm not sure that White Court Vamps know all that much about Denarians in the first place.  Yes, one of his best bets is to quiz the Holy Knights, especially Michael.  I am not sure that Father Forthill can or would answer any of Harry's questions.

Snark Knight:

--- Quote from: Mira on July 05, 2021, 06:43:32 PM ---Dirty tricks?  What do you mean by that?  If you mean black magic, not good for Harry.  Also I'm not sure that White Court Vamps know all that much about Denarians in the first place.

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They may not, but it never hurts to see. Maybe they have something that's effective against angels ... that would be considered dark, but it's only illegal as far as the Council is concerned if it hurts Marcone the host as well.

(Plus, do Denarians actually count as human for first law purposes? Harry's tried lethal force a few times with no reservations that it would be worth a beheading if he actually succeeded)

Arjan:

--- Quote from: Mira on July 04, 2021, 05:20:21 PM ---  But Marcone isn't totally up to speed either.  Hary very much does respect the potential now that he has the coin, and of course what a Fallen Angel knows and can do.. But Marcone made mistakes, that is what Harry was taunting him about.  Now that he is kicked out of the Council, Harry has no restraints on what knowledge he can acquire now..  The only limitation is getting it, and I bet Bob has a lot of it, Alfred might as well, and practice.

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I think he is still bound to the seven laws in his own mind.

Mira:

--- Quote from: Arjan on July 05, 2021, 07:58:55 PM ---I think he is still bound to the seven laws in his own mind.

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I agree with that, however is teleportation something that is against the Seven Laws?  I think there is a lot that Harry can learn and there is nothing save the Senior Council and access that is keeping him from learning it.


--- Quote ---(Plus, do Denarians actually count as human for first law purposes? Harry's tried lethal force a few times with no reservations that it would be worth a beheading if he actually succeeded)

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The Fallen Angel do not, however their hosts are very human, one could argue more human than the Turtlenecks.

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