The Dresden Files > DF Spoilers
"It is not yet your hour."
Mira:
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on June 30, 2021, 10:49:38 AM ---Because he was at Chicago, but that doesn't change that there was a meeting for Battle Ground. Harry got smashed in the general vote and then in the senior council vote.
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But Harry didn't go to it, the meeting happened right after, Eb and LTW were still in surgery.. I don't think on this type of thing there is a general vote, if there were, there would have been back in Summer Knight.
Here is the the quote from Battle Ground page 372
--- Quote ---"The Senior Council voted in emergency session, while Listens-to-Winds and McCoy were in surgery."
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Carlos mentions "witnesses" that Harry killed human servants of the Fomor.. Harry argues back that Carlos knows perfectly well that they are not exactly human..
Carlos answers;
--- Quote ---"Doesn't matter what I think," Ramirez said. "You know how broadly they interpret the First Law."
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It didn't matter what Carlos thought because he doesn't get a vote in the matter.. It is about how "they" meaning the Senior Council interprets the law, and the vote was unanimous, that is, with at least three members not present. You might call it pay back from Langtry as well, with his "proxy" votes he attempted to convict Molly as well, except Harry stopped him.. In the case Carlos either wouldn't or couldn't, and had started down the road before when he put the tracker on Harry at the beginning of Peace Talks.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: forumghost on June 29, 2021, 11:32:49 PM ---While Harry waking up one day to find out that he's the Faerie Queen of Pizza would be great for a laugh, I think the Series is going down a more serious path then that.
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I'd vehemently disagree. Harry has long been set up as the "Burger King" on purpose. Jim's not going to forgo humor. Not with incredible puns like the Black Hat waiting in the winds.
TheCuriousFan:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 30, 2021, 03:58:25 PM --- But Harry didn't go to it, the meeting happened right after, Eb and LTW were still in surgery.. I don't think on this type of thing there is a general vote, if there were, there would have been back in Summer Knight.
Here is the the quote from Battle Ground page 372
Carlos mentions "witnesses" that Harry killed human servants of the Fomor.. Harry argues back that Carlos knows perfectly well that they are not exactly human..
Carlos answers;
It didn't matter what Carlos thought because he doesn't get a vote in the matter.. It is about how "they" meaning the Senior Council interprets the law, and the vote was unanimous, that is, with at least three members not present. You might call it pay back from Langtry as well, with his "proxy" votes he attempted to convict Molly as well, except Harry stopped him.. In the case Carlos either wouldn't or couldn't, and had started down the road before when he put the tracker on Harry at the beginning of Peace Talks.
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There were two separate votes, the first was the public one of whether to kick Harry out or not where Ramirez voted in Harry's favour.
--- Quote ---His lips pressed into a line. “Yeah.” He gave his head a little shake, as if dislodging an insect. “I heard about the vote in the Council, man. It’s bullshit. However inconvenient you might be for them, whether any of them like it or not, you’re a wizard, Harry.”
“Yer a wizard, Harry,” I growled.
He didn’t smile, but an amused glint came to his eyes. “Point is, I’ve already cast my vote on your behalf. So have most of the other Wardens.”
I was quiet for a second, with my throat a little tight. “Oh. Thanks.”
“Yeah, well. We’re just the guys who have to do the fighting and the dirty work,” he said bitterly. “All the wizards who sit on their fat asses all day, who knows? To them, you’re scary.”
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Then there was the second vote with the senior council about what to do with him afterwards that you quoted.
Snark Knight:
--- Quote from: Mira on June 30, 2021, 03:14:24 AM ---I don't think it is as open as you think, I think Eb meant with other Senior Members. The reason I think that is back in Summer Knight when they tried to demote Harry back to apprentice, only the Senior Members actually voted.. The rest of the members just witnessed it.. Molly's trial, again only the Senior Members got to vote, remember Langtry claimed to have a proxy for all of them. Also if everyone got a vote, don't you think Harry would have asked Carlos how he voted?
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Carlos said on the way into the summit that he'd voted in Harry's favour, though.
I suppose Langtry could have pulled rank to move if from an open council vote to Senior only based on the rule Eb used in SK that any senior councilor can move a vote from open to senior council only, but but there's nothing in Carlos' accounting of how it went to indicate that happened. It would have been poor politics on his part to have an expulsion vote decided only by himself and Ancient Mai.
Mira:
--- Quote from: Snark Knight on July 01, 2021, 01:33:06 AM ---Carlos said on the way into the summit that he'd voted in Harry's favour, though.
I suppose Langtry could have pulled rank to move if from an open council vote to Senior only based on the rule Eb used in SK that any senior councilor can move a vote from open to senior council only, but but there's nothing in Carlos' accounting of how it went to indicate that happened. It would have been poor politics on his part to have an expulsion vote decided only by himself and Ancient Mai.
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Basically that is what Langtry tried to pull in Proven Guilty, when he wanted Molly convicted, claiming he had proxies for the Senior Members missing, when he never even consulted them on how they wanted to vote. Harry stopped him then, with some help of Rashid, Harry said then that he pissed Langtry off and that he'd make him pay someday... So Carlos said the vote was "unanimous." You really think Langtry got instructions from the three missing members on how they wanted their votes cast?
--- Quote ---"The Senior Council voted in emergency session, while Listens-to-Winds and McCoy were in surgery."
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Not the whole Council, the Senior Council.. Also Langtry was trying for a death sentence, it is just the Senior Council that apparently votes on that as we saw in Molly's case.
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