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What would be a counter to Carlos?

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groinkick:
Alright so apparently Carlos being a water mage is a good counter to Dresden's style of magic.  So what kind of magic would be good against someone like Carlos?  Earth magic?  I am thinking if he tries to kill Harry, it will be Molly using mind magic to stop him.  So that might be a good counter.

b4utoo:
Lol who said they'll fight?

Harry can shield better. And is stronger in almost every way.... Carlos has skill enough...but it wouldn't even be a fight.

Snark Knight:
If it comes to that, Harry would probably be treating it more or less like the fight with Fix, trying to pull his punches enough to disable without killing. So he probably wouldn't even be trying fire, but Carlos' water shield would block that anyway.

Carlos has seen enough of Harry's use of forzare and air bursts to plan for countering those as well. Infriga is probably also more lethal than Harry would reach for to subdue a well-meaning but dangerously misguided good guy, but Carlos would presumably bring a plan for countering ice magic to any fight with the winter knight anyway. I'd assume even slipping something around the edge of his shield like icing the ground under his feet would be a challenge.

Harry would pretty much need something unusual enough that Carlos wouldn't have seen him using it before to plan a counter, as well as not easily countered by water. I wonder if he could pull off the gravity-concentrating spell fast enough to be useful in a fight, if he was only trying to focus it enough for a trip rather than to the point of turning anything organic in the AoE into chunky salsa.

He might be able to do something non-lethal with the strangler tendrils he learned off Namshiel using on him and tried on Shagnasty. He can boost that with soulfire (see: Shagnasty fight), and while I doubt he can get up to Namshiel's five wavelengths that are impossible to shield against, he might have progressed enough from TC to manage two or three.

The sleep spell the Gatekeeper used in TC is apparently not invasive enough to be black magic. If Harry can learn that, it's pretty much ideal for stopping an attacker without harm. Probably also a good idea to brush up on to subdue Justine long enough to set up an exorcism.

b4utoo:
Personally if I was Harry I would act like the bad guy that you think I am and hold a hostage that Carlos would hold up on then Harry can disable Carlos let go the hostage and call it a day

Yuillegan:
Depending on the nature of the fight, it could go a few ways.

I think Snark Knight you have described the situation where Carlos is sent to tell Harry off and it devolves into a duel. Depending on if Harry was being rational or not would be the decisive point. Harry as a raging beast is terrifying, sure. But he tends to win more fights when he is being cold and rational. Which I think is intentional on Jim's part. In terms of mechanics I think you are right pretty much, I think Harry could counter with things Carlos might be underprepared for. Like black magic - i.e. mind assaults. He might even be desperate enough. He could also attempt to just out-muscle Carlos in some way, because Carlos is weaker. And Harry is far more formidable in close-quarters due to his Winter Knight power.

Jim has sort of been a bit evasive on how water magic works, he often says it's a fairly passive or reactive form of magic. But then he shows Carlos wiping the floor with his entropy stuff. If Harry had learned some water magic from River Shoulders, he might be able to counter Ramirez more effectively. Just as fire can be extinguished by water, enough heat can vaporize it. They are each others counter in a sense. I think ice magic might be his best bet, as Carlos uses entropy a lot (disorder) so Harry might want to use energy (order). I know it seems counter but he might just be able to lock Ramirez down with it. Carlos also has horrible physical injuries that Harry could exploit. And if Harry had learned some shapeshifting from River Shoulders (maybe with some tips from Grey), he also might be able to use that to his advantage.

There are scenarios where it isn't just the two of them of course. Ramirez might have a team of Wardens, maybe including Luccio. Maybe even including Senior Council members. That alters things dramatically, tactically speaking. Harry might be alone, or in his Castle, or have Bob, or Mouse, or the Alphas, or Ebenezar (with or against), or some Winter Fae, or White Court Vampires, or Molly etc. Any combination of these would be interesting and require vastly different tactics. If the might of the whole White Council and their allies came down on Harry (like they did with Kemmler), unless Harry was fairly upgraded and had all his new allies (some of which are also supposedly White Council allies) Harry would get smashed. Jim has stated that a few times. Which isn't to say that there isn't a scenario where Harry wins either, but I suspect the Council would already be fragmenting and Harry would shatter them at their worst moment. I think this is what the Gatekeeper was referring to when he hinted at "Harry's hour".

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