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How Murphy could return to the Dresden Files
Mira:
--- Quote ---Not until the memory of her has faded from the minds of those who knew her. That is the limit not even the All-father may cross.”"
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As I said, it is a kindness to those who knew her. Because her body and fighting spirit my return, but she is no longer who she was. Have you seen any of the Einherjar show love or any emotion for anything beyond their assigned tasks?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 10, 2021, 11:49:46 AM ---As I said, it is a kindness to those who knew her. Because her body and fighting spirit my return, but she is no longer who she was. Have you seen any of the Einherjar show love or any emotion for anything beyond their assigned tasks?
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Murphy had a good relation with them and they seemed to like her. Their argument with Butters about training were very human. They are not zombies and it is still their soul in there. Lara could handle them the same way as she could handle living men and they made jokes.
Harry could baffle them with his unexplainable knowledge about Marcone castle. They react very human all the time when there is no battle
Freydis said they were as lovers not as good as normal humans and she obviously tried. The battle frenzy is something Gard did as well in a short story but it was just for battle and I would not call that inhuman, humans can get as crazy as anyone.
There may be some differences but it will definitely still be Murphy.
I think Uriel agreed with it because Murphy still had unfinished business. Monty said in ghost story that sometimes the soul stays behind for a while because of unfinished business. That was his explanation for Harry staying behind. In a sense Vadderung is helping Murphy with her unfinished business. Maybe Harry was not the only one who had to choose between doors. She wanted to be involved and that is exactly what is going to happen. It is her version of what her father is doing, just a different department.
Mira:
--- Quote ---Murphy had a good relation with them and they seemed to like her. Their argument with Butters about training were very human. They are not zombies and it is still their soul in there. Lara could handle them the same way as she could handle living men and they made jokes.
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Not zombies, but at the same time they are cold killers, they are not the people that they were when they were living.
--- Quote ---Harry could baffle them with his unexplainable knowledge about Marcone castle. They react very human all the time when there is no battle
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So what? Murphy will not be the same person that she was, acting human or not.
--- Quote ---Freydis said they were as lovers not as good as normal humans and she obviously tried. The battle frenzy is something Gard did as well in a short story but it was just for battle and I would not call that inhuman, humans can get as crazy as anyone.
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Now you are talking Valkyrie, not the same at all to what Murphy will become.
--- Quote ---There may be some differences but it will definitely still be Murphy.
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Your sure about that?
--- Quote ---I think Uriel agreed with it because Murphy still had unfinished business. Monty said in ghost story that sometimes the soul stays behind for a while because of unfinished business. That was his explanation for Harry staying behind. In a sense Vadderung is helping Murphy with her unfinished business. Maybe Harry was not the only one who had to choose between doors. She wanted to be involved and that is exactly what is going to happen. It is her version of what her father is doing, just a different department.
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Monty was talking ghosts.. Harry stayed behind because he wasn't dead, he was only mostly dead. Do you think Murphy will get a say in what she can or cannot do as one of Odin's soldiers?
Arjan:
--- Quote from: Mira on April 10, 2021, 02:08:25 PM ---Not zombies, but at the same time they are cold killers,
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Not cold, quite excited actually. And nothing that is out of touch with their personalities before they died.
And humans can be cold killers as well.
--- Quote --- they are not the people that they were when they were living. So what? Murphy will not be the same person that she was, acting human or not.
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Harry is not the same Harry. Before, during and after his dead. But he was and is Harry.
--- Quote ---Now you are talking Valkyrie, not the same at all to what Murphy will become.
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It is what humans, Valkyrie and einherjar haven common. Battle frenzy is not a sign of being inhuman or whatever.
--- Quote ---Your sure about that?
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As long as her soul is in there, that is the important part. Otherwise the whole discussion is moot.
--- Quote ---Monty was talking ghosts..
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No, at the end he was speaking about Harry as a wandering soul, a shade.
And he was in a broader sense speaking as something that sometimes happened.
--- Quote ---Harry stayed behind because he wasn't dead, he was only mostly dead.
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His soul had left his body, he was dead and if he had chosen another door he would have stayed dead. If corpstaker had found another body she would have been alive again. And if she had found Harry’s body....
--- Quote --- Do you think Murphy will get a say in what she can or cannot do as one of Odin's soldiers?
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She will get orders but by that definition Harry is not human either.
There are no signs that the einherjar are not the same persons they were before they died with the same memories and character and in every way they behave like Jim probably thinks mythological Vikings should behave. They are created with necromancy and soulfire which should be pretty potent. Their life experience will be different of course, dying and resurrecting every time will have its effects, but their experiences during life is what makes them valuable it makes no sense to throw that away.
Jim can create differences of course but until now he did not indicate dramatic differences. River shoulders indicated that some of them remembered fighting genoskwa when they were alive.
groinkick:
I think she may return as a warrior of Odin, but also the one to wield Excalibur during the BAT.
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