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Drakul a demon lord?
groinkick:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on February 02, 2021, 06:05:18 AM ---Eh, I'm not convinced there's not a connection between dragons, Drakul, and Lucifer. Mostly because of Michael's words in GP when repelling Mavra. "Blood of the dragon, that old for.." or something to that effect.
Here's an idea that just formulated reading this, and it would perhaps connect the dots. Drakul is the son of Lucifer, whom Lucifer helped trap in human form to keep him from being more of a threat to himself?
The way I originally interpret things though, is Dragons used to hold the position of the erstwhile angels.(Woj on perhaps angels only believe themselves to be the original timeless beings) and that's what Lucifer was when he fell, a dragon without wings would be a serpent imo. Then he had Drakul, who spawned the black court. So when Michael says that about 'blood of the dragon' he's being quite literal. They aren't dragons, but they have their blood so to speak. Sorta like the theories on Maggie and left over effects of having a half red mother, she's not a Red, but she might still be relative.. a new breed, different enough to avoid the bloodline curse.
*As for Drakul being an outsider... Look at mother winter...
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I disagree. Bonea is a joining of a Fallen, and a mortal. She has the vast knowledge of a Fallen. Drakul just doesn't feel like that to me. Could he have the vast knowledge of a Fallen? I suppose, but I just don't get that impression.
Also when Eb was talking about him, he just called him "The Creature", I'd imagine the Council knows his origins, and if he was from lucifer himself, I'd think it would have been mentioned.
Also when Morgan talked about Dresden in his journal he mentioned his concern about Dresden being a "creature" of Nemesis. He was concerned about Dresden being a destroyer.... Whatever Drakul is, it feels like Dresden could become the same. So I think it's more about drawing in the power, and becoming something else.
Lash said that Starborn have influence over Outsiders.... What if Harry can draw in the power from the Outside, and use it as his own? Like tapping into a Layline.... Of course that kind of power would warp the person who did it.
groinkick:
Oh there is another clue I forgot about. Does anyone remember when the FBI agent Soulgazed Dresden? He screamed out that he didn't believe in hell..... Perhaps a clue into a Starborn's power?
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 02, 2021, 06:43:28 PM ---I disagree. Bonea is a joining of a Fallen, and a mortal. She has the vast knowledge of a Fallen. Drakul just doesn't feel like that to me. Could he have the vast knowledge of a Fallen? I suppose, but I just don't get that impression.
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Bonnie is a spirit of intellect. Not all children are created equally. Does maggie have Uber knowledge of reds? Ancestral memories? Do you think there was actually love and sacrifice between Lucy and... Anything else? Then why in the literal hell would it be the same quality?
--- Quote ---Also when Eb was talking about him, he just called him "The Creature", I'd imagine the Council knows his origins, and if he was from lucifer himself, I'd think it would have been mentioned.
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A. Literary device
B. How would they specifically know? This depends entirely on them knowing. Michael doesn't need to consciously know on the other hand, could be he gleaned the insight from the sword taking them on all those years ago.
C. The same wizards... Who've been upfront about the origins and purpose of DR? Starborn? Pretty much anything at all? Idk about you, but PT-BG kinda set the wizards up to look like major asshats in this particular department.
--- Quote ---Also when Morgan talked about Dresden in his journal he mentioned his concern about Dresden being a "creature" of Nemesis. He was concerned about Dresden being a destroyer.... Whatever Drakul is, it feels like Dresden could become the same. So I think it's more about drawing in the power, and becoming something else.
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they are both starborn, the difference is Drakul was never human. Ergo has non human origins. Not A creature, but THE creature.
--- Quote ---Lash said that Starborn have influence over Outsiders.... What if Harry can draw in the power from the Outside, and use it as his own? Like tapping into a Layline.... Of course that kind of power would warp the person who did it.
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--- Quote from: groinkick on February 02, 2021, 06:53:57 PM ---Oh there is another clue I forgot about. Does anyone remember when the FBI agent Soulgazed Dresden? He screamed out that he didn't believe in hell..... Perhaps a clue into a Starborn's power?
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he saw Dresden as the horsemen death... With hell following after. That was how he interpretated hwwbh. It's... Accurate imo.
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 02, 2021, 06:53:57 PM ---Oh there is another clue I forgot about. Does anyone remember when the FBI agent Soulgazed Dresden? He screamed out that he didn't believe in hell..... Perhaps a clue into a Starborn's power?
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I still stand by my theory that the Starborn are a result of Lucifer's fall and him being stripped of his Grace. There's a WoJ where he states that the Nickleheads are what's left after they were stripped of their Grace and that Starborn have literally been around since the dawn of creation. The Fallen were thrown into Hell, their graces were thrown through the walls of reality forming the Outer Gates. Starborn then gain power from the radiance red-shifting backwards and the angels keep moving planets around so it's every 666 years.
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