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Why didn't Drakul kill.....
b4utoo:
Well I'm not sold on him holding back. I think he is like Wizard and he can fight for what he plans for. Just like Harry. I think if he plan to kill them he would plan it out. And they live as long as they do because they're smart. Just because you have the power to do something doesn't mean you should because you might leave yourself open for counter-attack. So he got to fight him the way he did to ensure he wasn't defeated and complete his purpose.
I appreciate you posting the info. Very kind. I did try looking for it but I guess my searching skills are not all that great. Your response was a lot better than some other couch Commandos comments who are safe behind the computer. And my comments were just to be flippant. Even though I'm more sarcastic by Nature.
b4utoo:
Is Drakul the original? Is he not dead walking? Would necromancy work on him? Or just his "offspring"? And Ebenezer refers to him as the Beast. So this is outer appearance real? Thoughts?
The_Sibelis:
Yes, recent Woj implies he's not only the original but a few other monsters throughout history, being older than our current legends about him. Actually found a really interesting theory on Drakul the other day,
https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/8cuspf/dracula_the_once_and_future_count_speculation/
Gonna reread it a few times to see if it fits anything here
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on February 01, 2021, 04:31:52 PM ---That's the thing. By comparison they are not. Raw horsepower (as Jim said) it would take every wizard on the planet to stand up to Mab while Drakul can by himself. So as powerful as LTW is, he's nothing, nothing in comparison to Drakul.
The only thing I could come up with is that Drakul is less effective against some forms of magic, and LTW is good enough to exploit it. Just as River shoulders was able to stop him from teleporting.
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Quite possibly, perhaps Drakul's weaknesses were being exploited. But in saying that...he seemed like he was enjoying himself. Maybe he was being a distraction for something else that was happening that we have yet to see. Or perhaps he doesn't turn wizards and using them for the stars and stones is some other goal. Perhaps part of a ritual for gaining power. I mean, likely Mavra and possibly Drakul have the Word of Kemmler (although I really hope it doesn't end up with Mavra as the big bad betraying her Master...that is so over used and also wouldn't fit with her having no real will).
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on February 02, 2021, 12:17:04 AM ---My understanding is it's from BG.
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Indeed. It is exposition on Harry's part but likely enough.
--- Quote from: Mira on February 01, 2021, 05:36:28 PM ---Like I said, Marva orchestrated the perfect set up, it was a win,win for Team Black Court. I don't think he really was allowing them to live, but Mavra sort of went into a panic when it began to rain iron anvils, so they just left.
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Just the one anvil from memory. But a well timed one! Not sure that Mavra panicked and left either. She just disappears presumably with the remaining Elders and the bodies of Yoshimo and Wild Bill. I don't think she was afraid of Dresden. More likely there was an unspoken signal and Drakul got his people to leave. They had what they came for.
--- Quote from: b4utoo on February 02, 2021, 12:58:30 AM ---Well I'm not sold on him holding back. I think he is like Wizard and he can fight for what he plans for. Just like Harry. I think if he plan to kill them he would plan it out. And they live as long as they do because they're smart. Just because you have the power to do something doesn't mean you should because you might leave yourself open for counter-attack. So he got to fight him the way he did to ensure he wasn't defeated and complete his purpose.
I appreciate you posting the info. Very kind. I did try looking for it but I guess my searching skills are not all that great. Your response was a lot better than some other couch Commandos comments who are safe behind the computer. And my comments were just to be flippant. Even though I'm more sarcastic by Nature.
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Which part are you not sold on? And I think any of the supernatural threats can fight what they plan for. When it comes to mortal wizards, they are often at their most dangerous when prepared and their least when caught off guard. Vampires don't seem to have that issue as they often rely (if not over-rely) on their physical power and nasty abilities. Mavra has shown she can be very dangerous if prepared, far more so than normal. So I don't think it follows that if Drakul had planned to kill he would have. His goal was stated to be the capture of wizard talents, and he got at least 2 possibly 3. Whether they died or not may not be an issue for a necromancer. Beyond that, I think he is on a schedule like all the big players are. He doesn't waste time with nobodies. But the fact of it is the scene Jim wrote with Drakul just wasn't the best. Perhaps Drakul was too built up, perhaps Jim didn't analyse the scene as much as he could have, perhaps Jim got over it between multiple rewrites and edits. In any case, hopefully we will get better scenes in future.
Fair enough if you're comments were meant to be flippant, as I said sarcasm often doesn't translate well over the internet as writing is a poor medium for such things. Probably just worth being a bit more careful in future. I don't know if I am one of these "couch commandos" you are referring to but I don't think it was particularly risky to call out what I perceived to be poor behaviour. I hope you don't threaten people who call you out or upset you though. That would be crap behaviour. I wasn't having a go at your researching skill, nor was Sibelis. Just the lack of effort came across combined with your admittedly unclear jokes. It's fine to critique people's arguments when they haven't provided evidence or used much logic, but saying another person hasn't got proof when you can't be bothered to look yourself for something quite easy to find is just bait. Sibelis was friendly and told you where to look and you made a joke out of it. Whether you intended to look or not doesn't matter, as you made it seem like you didn't. If you don't wish to be misunderstood, probably best to be clearer in future.
--- Quote from: b4utoo on February 02, 2021, 01:03:46 AM ---Is Drakul the original? Is he not dead walking? Would necromancy work on him? Or just his "offspring"? And Ebenezer refers to him as the Beast. So this is outer appearance real? Thoughts?
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He seems to be the origin of the Black Court...but that doesn't mean he necessarily is the original Black Court Vampire. He has vampiric powers but no one seems to refer to him as a vampire either. It's impossible with so little information to know whether he is actually undead. He is stuck in the body of a mortal, so perhaps he "died" in a sense and came back. But the spiritual monster probably is immortal which wouldn't make him undead. So yeah, necromancy probably wouldn't be able to control him although it may effect him like any other non-undead being. And it has been said it would be possible to control the Black Court Vampires with necromancy (per Jim), Kemmler figured it out. Eb actually referred to Drakul as THE Creature. Real is subjective, but I suspect the being residing in the mortal's body doesn't look much like Drakul at all. Especially if it is made of spiritual energy.
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on February 02, 2021, 01:19:17 AM ---Yes, recent Woj implies he's not only the original but a few other monsters throughout history, being older than our current legends about him. Actually found a really interesting theory on Drakul the other day,
https://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/8cuspf/dracula_the_once_and_future_count_speculation/
Gonna reread it a few times to see if it fits anything here
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Good theory in how it's set out but it sort of falls apart with the whole "expunged from history brother" bit as there is no other evidence of such a person. Beyond that, Drakul is FAR older than that as he has apparently been around since the dawn of man. I certainly could see an Arthurian connection though. Maybe Mordred is involved.
The_Sibelis:
--- Quote ---falls apart with the whole "expunged from history brother" bit as there is no other evidence of such a person.
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very true, I'm looking twice though because I think the whole two brothers thing is a big enough archatype that it's part of the repeating story in the DF. Besides the obvious ones in history, I wonder about the connection between Dresden and his brother and TWC, and his brother Doubting Thomas, better known as the apostle Paul(? Iirc) which I started looking at because of Yeat's the second coming, which is supposed to be loosely based on the antichrist.
If one brother rises and the other falls then Arthur would have had a brother by my reconing.
Just playing with pieces of the puzzle to see where they might fit.
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