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Justin and Simon may be dead but they may also be
KurtinStGeorge:
Simon Pietrovich being a member of the Black Court. That is an interesting idea. My only problem with it is, I think it was stated in Summer Knight that it was an inside job. The Red Court didn't breach Simon's defenses, someone let them in. So, that would mean one of three things, either (1) Simon was turned by Drakul first and let the Red Court in, or (2) Simon had some kind of deal going, let the Red Court in and was betrayed and turned over to Drakul or (3) someone else on Simon's team was the traitor.
The problem with 1 is, how would Drakul get past Simon's defenses to turn him? It seems unlikely if not impossible. Number 2 is doable, but it's complicated. It's got too many moving parts. Occam's Razor doesn't like it. Number 3 appears to be the most likely solution, but unless someone we know was with Simon at Archangel it would mean some random nobody betrayed Simon and the Brute Squad.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Yuillegan on January 26, 2021, 09:05:51 PM ---Yes he did, but Bad Alias is correct. Kincaid helps him realise that wily villains like Mavra are survivors. They don't stay that way for hundreds of years without a few tricks, like using body doubles. But it does feel like Jim was also hinting Mavra might not be the only person to use such tactics *places tinfoil hat back on head*
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Yeah. There's a reason I didn't say the difference meant that groinkick was wrong. It just makes it less likely. We all wear a little bit of tinfoil around here.
groinkick:
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 26, 2021, 08:46:06 PM ---He believed that until Kincaid brought up that it was likely a different vampire that got roasted, so yes, he believed Mavra was dead but only for a few days at the most. I can't remember if the conversation is right after they kill "all" the vampires or when Harry calls Kincaid in the last chapter. He's believed Justin was dead since he was 16.
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Is the judgement, and memory of a 16 year old reliable against someone who was as skilled as Justin? Harry watched him die, but what if it was simply another person, and Justin had thrown glamour on them to trick Harry?
He might have actually been under mind control, and killed someone else. What better way to fake your death than to mind control someone into killing a fake you, burning them to ash.
Bad Alias:
I could see something that had Justin trick Harry into thinking he died. I just don't see why he would be faking his death before fighting with Harry.
Yuillegan:
--- Quote from: groinkick on January 27, 2021, 02:07:05 AM ---Is the judgement, and memory of a 16 year old reliable against someone who was as skilled as Justin? Harry watched him die, but what if it was simply another person, and Justin had thrown glamour on them to trick Harry?
He might have actually been under mind control, and killed someone else. What better way to fake your death than to mind control someone into killing a fake you, burning them to ash.
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Indeed. Many possibilities could have occurred that allowed Justin to fake his own death for a number of purposes, or even return from death. Harry is hardly the most reliable source.
--- Quote from: Bad Alias on January 27, 2021, 02:28:24 AM ---I could see something that had Justin trick Harry into thinking he died. I just don't see why he would be faking his death before fighting with Harry.
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Unless Justin intended for Harry to kill him or appear to do so.
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