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The Red Court vs. The Fomor

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Mira:

--- Quote ---On the other hand here come the Fomor kill all the humans and then talk trash. Then declare war.  I can imagine every reader thinking, WTF?  What was the Titan thinking? Tell the enemy that you're coming and give them time to get set? This is like the allies telling Hitler that they were hitting the beach at Normandy on D day at first light and inviting him to concentrate his forces there. How dumb is that?
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Agreed, but I think the point of telegraphing it is terror, that and dividing humanity against itself.
There are those who won't believe what is happening to them if it bit them on the butt, but they have to blame somebody.  We saw some of that at the end of Battle Ground, while the Accords signers were afraid that the attack would turn humanity against the supernatural, the powers that be were coming up with alternative explanations so the people wouldn't believe their own eyes and experience.  That is how the Fomor has gotten away with all the kidnappings like they have over the years.

Kindler:

--- Quote from: morriswalters on January 12, 2021, 02:16:44 PM ---Jim used 12 books to set up the Reds. And he built them up so they had menace.  For instance the attack on Archangel, you only see it in the reflection of it's results and it's scary. One of his better pieces of storytelling.

On the other hand here come the Fomor kill all the humans and then talk trash. Then declare war.  I can imagine every reader thinking, WTF?  What was the Titan thinking? Tell the enemy that you're coming and give them time to get set? This is like the allies telling Hitler that they were hitting the beach at Normandy on D day at first light and inviting him to concentrate his forces there. How dumb is that?

I'm gonna be uncharitable and suggest that this is the result of the book being split. He needed a break for a boating trip to Demonreach. It makes the Formor look silly without intending to be.

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I think it might've been effective without Marcone. Seeing (an apparent) vanilla mortal stand up to a Titan who just kicked Mab through multiple walls and declared war on the planet, then immediately turn around and start giving orders had an impact. It was the best scene in Peace Talks, bar none. You saw the ghouls turn and try to leave. I wouldn't have been surprised if others followed. But the point is that you had someone there to shame everyone who was thinking about bailing into staying. Maybe Odin or the Erlking would've filled that role without Marcone, and it probably wouldn't have been terribly effective, but it might have convinced one or more factions that fighting was stupid. I'm 99% certain Ferrovax wouldn't have done... whatever the hell he was doing during BG without the public display, at least.

Anyway, on topic, I agree. The Fomor appear to be pretty weak and fairly chumpy as villains. Kind of like that season of Buffy where the main villains were three nerds pretending to be supervillains, and who managed to kill one of the core cast and drive another into murderous, insane rage. Chumpy and lame on their own, and their planning really does suck, but hey, we've lost more major characters in the few books they've been on the page than we did in the entire series up till now.

The other side is that Harry is WAY less of a chump now than he ever was when the Reds were a threat. We all know the details of his powerups since Dead Beat first gave him Hellfire. He's got a lot of serious power now, and allies to match. Plus his attitude is different. He didn't go looking for fights when the Reds were the boogeymen. Now he freezes background jerks to death just to make a point.

I don't think the Reds would've come off nearly as threatening as they used to if Harry met them now. I think most of these villains are probably just as chumpy as the Fomor are.

Except for Cowl, Marcone, Nicodemus. You know, the ones who mostly focus on outmaneuvering Harry rather than trying to beat him in a fistfight.

Mira:


   I think becoming Warden of Demonreach has given Harry a new perspective on things, as has
gaining the Artifacts and now the Eye.  With great power comes great responsibility


--- Quote ---I think it might've been effective without Marcone. Seeing (an apparent) vanilla mortal stand up to a Titan who just kicked Mab through multiple walls and declared war on the planet, then immediately turn around and start giving orders had an impact. It was the best scene in Peace Talks, bar none. You saw the ghouls turn and try to leave. I wouldn't have been surprised if others followed. But the point is that you had someone there to shame everyone who was thinking about bailing into staying. Maybe Odin or the Erlking would've filled that role without Marcone, and it probably wouldn't have been terribly effective, but it might have convinced one or more factions that fighting was stupid. I'm 99% certain Ferrovax wouldn't have done... whatever the hell he was doing during BG without the public display, at leas
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I agree, but was that Marcone speaking or Namshiel? 

Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Mira on January 16, 2021, 05:22:34 AM ---I agree, but was that Marcone speaking or Namshiel?

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Marcone. Harry's always been able to notice whether it was the human or the Fallen speaking.

TrueMonk:
I think Ethniu needed the air to be supercharged with fear and the barrier between the never-never and reality to be weakened, so she would be able to use the eye frequently. And & think she needed that to happen before she faced of against the big hitters. That would give them a pretty big warning anyway, so she tried to make something of it.

She had to win against Mab that day, because if the outer gates were not under attack winters forces would be too large.

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