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Something Occured to Me as to Why the Senior Council is so Afraid of Harry

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Bad Alias:

--- Quote from: Kindler on December 29, 2020, 04:23:58 PM ---What Eb did in Changes is, I would argue, qualitatively different from what Harry did.

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True, and if the statement was that what Harry did that frightened the Senior Council was maintain a loyal army instead of raising one, I would agree that he did such a thing. I'm not sure if that is why the Senior Council is afraid of him. I think it's more everything he's done, including being born as he was. I also think it might be more that Harry got the "Little Foldk, Wyld Fae, [to] band[] together and organiz[e]," as Rashid put it, than that Harry raised or even maintained an army. Side Note: (click to show/hide)That exchange in Ch. 39 of Turn Coat shows that Rashid is probably more on the ball about watching over and/or monitoring Harry than just about anyone in the series. Maybe Odin is doing a better job and how could Uriel not be doing a better job?

--- Quote from: Kindler on December 29, 2020, 04:23:58 PM ---On that note... what happens when Einrherjaren die in the mortal realm? Do they go back to Valhalla? Can they fight again? Do they have... resurrective immortality?

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I think they do go back to Valhalla to fight again, but I think they have to be resurrected by Odin again. There was a discussion here about whether their re-resurrections cost Odin anything. We now know their initial resurrections are done with soulfire. I think their re-resurrections probably involve the same thing. I don't know it, but there usually isn't a free lunch in the Dresden Files.


--- Quote from: Mira on December 29, 2020, 05:26:39 PM ---Harry didn't insist on Toot's friends and relatives and their friends and relatives on being freed from the White Court light show as a favor to gain something in return.  He
did it because it was the right thing to do. 

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I don't think motivations matter much to the Little Folk. I also don't think they would understand "the right thing." Toot is pretty alien in his thinking.


--- Quote from: Mira on December 29, 2020, 05:26:39 PM ---it is also how Harry treats them

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I do think how Harry treats them is important. Fairies don't take insults lightly. (Remember Thomas calling Cat Sith a freak?) I imagine most people near Harry's level insult the Little Folk almost reflexively if/when they deal with them. This would greatly lessen the debt owed. Harry works hard to not insult them. Which is honestly surprising given how he can't help but insult people/beings, both great and small.


--- Quote from: Mira on December 29, 2020, 05:26:39 PM ---This is what caught the attention of the Senior Council on that roof top in Battle Ground.

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But they didn't do it out of loyalty to Harry. They did it to protect pizza.


--- Quote from: vincentric on December 29, 2020, 06:23:18 PM ---The Little folk aren't bound but a number of them are vassals and the volunteers come for the pizza and the debt they owe to Harry for the rescue.

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The only thing I'd change is that they are bound only to the extent that any of the fae are bound by obligations and debt.

deadvoid:

--- Quote from: Bad Alias on December 29, 2020, 07:53:58 PM ---I don't think motivations matter much to the Little Folk. I also don't think they would understand "the right thing." Toot is pretty alien in his thinking.
I do think how Harry treats them is important. Fairies don't take insults lightly. (Remember Thomas calling Cat Sith a freak?) I imagine most people near Harry's level insult the Little Folk almost reflexively if/when they deal with them. This would greatly lessen the debt owed. Harry works hard to not insult them. Which is honestly surprising given how he can't help but insult people/beings, both great and small.
But they didn't do it out of loyalty to Harry. They did it to protect pizza.
The only thing I'd change is that they are bound only to the extent that any of the fae are bound by obligations and debt.
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I think for Toot toot (and later on, little folks soldiers), Harry is their king because he treated him/them nice while no one else does (except the ones close to him), and not only that, he's pretty much their only pizza dealer. Without him they wouldn't know where pizza came to be. To them not only he's the only drug dealer in town, he's the nicest dealer too, he listens to them, keeps his words, so especially for Toot toot he's the closest to a friend he ever has outside of his own species.

Dina:
I agree

Arjan:
It got a bit out of fashion later but originally being generous was important for being a king: https://academic-papers.blogspot.com/2009/02/beowulf-as-ideal-king.html

Mira:

--- Quote from: Arjan on December 29, 2020, 05:32:49 PM ---It is clearly shown that Mab and the redcap only have a limited understanding of the relationship between Harry and Toot and the white council probably understand it even less.

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Yes, and it is more complicated, because yes, they work for pizza, yup, they fight to protect the pizza, but Toot took on a skinwalker to protect Harry.  Toot's reply to Harry, "for you," Jim's italics in Turn Coat, not mine, implies there is more to it than the doing of favors or payment of pizza, it strongly implies loyalty to him.

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