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Nemesis [BG SPOILERS]
K.L.O.E.:
--- Quote from: The_Sibelis on November 24, 2020, 02:00:49 AM ---it's in the spoilers reference section. Mmm, iirc their were something before the titans weren't there?
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Thank you! I just read the theory and love it, totally jives with my Head canon.
I always forget that Gaia and Uranus are technically not titans, though they did have 12 titanic children.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
By Titans we mean wide array of beings not necessarily Greek ones.
And even Greeks let's remember basically mean - any deity that is not part of Olympian generation.
Some Zeus cousins were describes as Titans. Both Kronos and Uranos were called that.
I think in-verse difference between Titans and Gods came from level of influence they were allowed to use.
And it ended with replacing Gods with Faerie who can influence mortals even less.
And before Titans - who knows, we wander basically beyond times of proper mythologies.,
Yuillegan:
Titan seems to mean (at least in Dresden universe terms) proto-god.
These gods are primal elemental forces of the universe. They existed, according to WOJ, before Reality was made...in some form. So did the Angels. Consider the almost personal interaction that the various angels and beings have with Ethniu.
The new gods are Mab and the like. Mortals with mantles.
Sibelis is onto something, I think. I think the distinction between Gods and Angels is more about where they draw their power from, but in terms of origins they are all about the same. Considering the fact that they a existed before time (if you can really have such a thing), I would say that who is older isn't really relevant or even something that can be answered. Cause and effect didn't exist yet!
--- Quote from: TheCuriousFan on November 23, 2020, 02:15:07 PM ---Just remember you've got to include an explanation for how that jacked them up enough that they have archangel tier minions.
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My theory has always been that the "Walkers" and such beings are the equivalent of archangels and the Old Ones are TWG level. But the main difference is what they are. Destroyers versus a Creator. I suspect the Old Ones cannot create a universe or anything meaningful, and therefore are unable to truly combat TWG. They can only destroy things, but they never can solidify or capitalise on territory they reclaim via destruction. TWG by contrast is taking up all the real estate with Creation, and every win grants even more space and makes it harder for the Outsiders and Old Ones to get that space back.
But that's just a theory.
Wicked Woodpecker of West:
--- Quote ---These gods are primal elemental forces of the universe. They existed, according to WOJ, before Reality was made...in some form.
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Well my call was that they are basically angels responsible of shaping and governing immanent reality, that went rogue, but not that rogue as Lucifer and his cronies. But could you quote this WOJ - it seems I missed it or misread it.
--- Quote ---The new gods are Mab and the like. Mortals with mantles.
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I think not. Like classic pagan gods seems to be last generation of Titan like beings - who were (?) not ascended mortal, at least not just it - Sigurn says Odin is being of Elemental Nature, and he precedes Fae. Fae are half-mortals in the end compared to old forces yes.
--- Quote ---Sibelis is onto something, I think. I think the distinction between Gods and Angels is more about where they draw their power from, but in terms of origins they are all about the same. Considering the fact that they a existed before time (if you can really have such a thing), I would say that who is older isn't really relevant or even something that can be answered. Cause and effect didn't exist yet!
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I think you can make cause and effect schemes that are not temporal, but more like ontological.
--- Quote ---My theory has always been that the "Walkers" and such beings are the equivalent of archangels and the Old Ones are TWG level. But the main difference is what they are. Destroyers versus a Creator. I suspect the Old Ones cannot create a universe or anything meaningful, and therefore are unable to truly combat TWG. They can only destroy things, but they never can solidify or capitalise on territory they reclaim via destruction. TWG by contrast is taking up all the real estate with Creation, and every win grants even more space and makes it harder for the Outsiders and Old Ones to get that space back.
But that's just a theor
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That's idea I like - forces of Uncreation. Still it's not really opposed to theory Walkers were created beings that turned to Uncreation due some ancient shit that happend. We will see.
Bad Alias:
--- Quote from: Wicked Woodpecker of West on November 24, 2020, 10:20:13 PM ---But could you quote this WOJ - it seems I missed it or misread it.
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It was one of the interviews he did just after BG came out. I think that week.
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